Prop 19 Still Trailing in Polls, But with Hopeful Signs

There's only one survey that counts, and it's not until Tuesday Nov 2nd.

Ignore the BS.

VOTE YES ON PROP 19!

Save the world.

When you get polled in California, reply NO.

This is to keep you from getting in trouble with your employer, etc.

When you get into the voting booth, vote YES on Prop 19.

Just show up and vote Yes on 19, and the rest will take care of itself.  The opposition has pulled out all the stops in these last few weeks.  I don't believe that 10% changed their mind in one week!

If Prop 19 passes it will COST taxpayers to subsidize people to get high...increase in workers comp and insurance as well.  Vote smart CA and don't believe the bogus BS put out by to "Weedies"

Someguy and Vinnie, I hope you change your mind and vote "yes" on Prop19, at least. It is not a perfect law, but it is a good beginning; and, as many have pointed out, "we don't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good". 

As for voting in general, with this election I have stopped voting for candidates to the state legislature and congress, since in my state no third party candidate will ever again get on the general election ballot, thanks to the version of "top two" primary the state adopted after our open primary was declared unconstitutional. I won't vote for any elected position except judges (non-partisan) but I will continue to vote on issues. I am urging my friends and family (and strangers) to do the same, because if enough people do it, a really low number of votes for elected positions in comparison to the total number of ballots voted (and counted) should send a very loud message to the damn politicians that the voters hate the way they've rigged the system, not to mention the way they've legislated.

 When Proposition 19 passes we begin the process of nationwide legalization.

I have looked forward to this day for a very long time.

Alcohol. If society can live with all the death and devastation caused by alcohol abuse, why can't it live in harmony with all the peaceful responsible cannabis users out there? I don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about with taxpayers subsidizing people to get high- what's that about? The war against cannabis users is already forcing taxpayers to subsidize a judicial/prison industrial complex, deluxe pensions and all. We want to turn cannabis users from being involuntary tax eaters and turn them into taxpayers. If you'd rather fire more teachers and health care workers, and surrender National Parks and Forests over to drug gangs, and keep drug gangs in charge of distribution because you think that protects children, that's your choice.

I voted yes for Prop 19 almost 2 weeks ago via mail-in. We are almost at the finish line and can't afford to miss this opportunity or it will be another 30 years wait. If the 18+ generation don't make the effort to go to the polls and vote for Prop 19 then it won't happen. Get up stand up don't give up your rights!!

I live in Texas where they still think MJ is like the old reefer madness movie.  A friend of mine in TX was pulled over on the Hwy with his boss for an expired inspection sticker.  The Police said they smelled Marijuana and asked them to step out of the truck.  There were 2 Joints found in the console, so the trooper pushed my friend down to the ground handcuffed him cursed him out and bruised him up and he was injured.  They were both taken to Jail, and it cost him $750.00 to be released on bail.  Then an additional $1,200.00 in attorney and court fees. He then received 2 years probation where he had to pay $65.00 Monthly and take a pee test each time. 

I have heard of people being beat up by Texas Police like Rodney King for just having a joint.  It is crazy.

It is unbelievable at how horrible this law really is.  Marijuana is safe and I believe that people who use marijuana are non violent peaceful people.

Please vote YES on Prop 19.

Moonrider - I understand your discontent and wish third party candidates were more accepted and given the voice and viability they deserve. But your argument against voting for the lesser of two evils among the candidates is just the opposite of your well reasoned argument for Prop 19. Please hold your nose and vote for the closest candidate to your values so that the worse of the two in each race doesn't win. Democracy (as such as it is in CA) is still the art of compromise. And, well, you are also still right. Remember to look at Texas and realize it could be a lot worse if the wrong party gets to Gerrymander CA like they did there. There is still a long way to fall my friend...
 

The writer's of this bill are drug dealers(Oaksterdam Cartel), who have gotten rich from selling pot and now want to corner the market and to keep the prices high. With more government control there will be less of a free market and proceeds from the tax on marijuana are specifically earmarked for enforcing marijuana laws against those that aren't in compliance( anyone not named Richard Lee or Jeff Jones and a few others). This bill, does nothing to keep people out of prison, you will still go to prison for selling a joint, growing even one respectable outdoor plant( c'mon 5'x5' space, each outdoor plant require more space than that), you will go to prison with same punishment for more than an ounce of pot. The only differences is that Agramed, Richard Lee and Jeff Jones with a select other few rich pot dealers can co-opt the law enforcement to put their competition out of business. Their business plan to have huge indoor super grows will put massive amounts of pollution into the air to create electricity to run their lights. Their own estimates show that they plan on selling whole sale for $2800 a pound, more than it cost now.  They have also introduced new marijuana crimes in this bill. It is a travesty and they are promoting as if it will keep people from going to jail, that is just a lie. They are trying to make themselves rich with no regard for the real victims of the drug war nor the huge sect of the population who supplement their income with small pot farms. These Mom and pop ops and all the people they employ will be put out of business with a new cash cow for these corporate pot farmers.

 SAY NO TO 19, IT IS A SHAM, CRONYSIM AT IT'S WORST.

 Let's really legalize it or keep it medical, but not Corporatize pot for a few greedy men and their investors.

Johnny Seed - If anyone is trying to control a monopoly its you and your mom and pop grow OPs. How many of them have paid taxes for growing their weed and selling it illegally for the last 2 decades? And what now they are voting no or not voting at all even after they have been growing a weed they believe in for the last 20 years? The only thing they believe in now is the corruption of the money that it brings them and you. And now your scared that if it passes, you will have to stop controlling your monopoly and go out and get a real job? Haha Loser!! If the corporate giants grow a bunch of weed, it still won't even supply 7 percent of the consumption of just the state of california, so get over the fact that all of the mom and pops will shut down. the only thing different is that you can smoke recreationally instead of hiding in your closet . Say yes on PROP 19!!!!

I wish I lived in CA I'd vote Yes....twice.

Hey Phil, It did occur to me that it was a bit odd that those who have made a tidy sum on medicinal cannabis post prop 215 were the ones bankrolling this initiative as it would possibly put them out of business.

Should Prop 19 pass, and yes, I voted for it early, that would send a message and the legislature would be able to fix most defects with the initiative as they did with SB 420 (!) and Prop 215.

More likely, unfortunately, should Prop 19 fail, then that would in effect call the question in the negative and would result in 10 more years of status quo, not bad for the medicinal cannabis growers either.

-marcos

Is it possible that polls started going down right after Eric Holder and Obama said they would crack down even harder if prop 19 passes?  Could we assume maybe that scared some people out of telling polls what they were thinking?

No way to tell for sure.  Hope it passes.

Cannabis should have never been illegal in the first place. Its “illegality” is not based on any science, just on lies, distortions of fact, and blatant racism. The truth is that Cannabis is less physically addictive than caffeine, and that it may also serve as a much “safer alternative” to alcohol and/or hard drugs. Another Cannabis product, hemp, was used by humans since time immemorial! It is fully recognized that Cannabis use SUPPRESSES VIOLENT BEHAVIOR, and that Cannabis may be used to help not only treat, but to also prevent some devastating illnesses such as cancer and Alzheimer’s disease.

The fact is that Cannabis has been used by humans for thousands of years exactly because there are so many ways in which this remarkable plant can help us and our planet. So, it is naive to presume that a bunch of fear-mongerers can change this fact, no matter how loud and untruthful they become! I worked in addiction medicine for years, and Cannabis use was the least of my problems, so I do recognize that classifying Cannabis in the same group as heroin and cocaine is one of the greatest scientific fallacies of our times. The so-called “gateway” drug theory was found to be totally invalid, and a very recent large study called this “theory” half-baked. It is simply untrue scientifically.

As Kathleen Parker aptly observed on CNN couple of days ago, “To say that most hard drug addicts start with marijuana is the same as to say that all rapists start with masturbation”. Yeah, that’s about it! Cannabis is not physically addictive, as there is no clearly definable and reproducible physical withdrawal syndrome, observed with alcohol or opiate withdrawal, for example. A recent large study denied any connection between smoking Cannabis and a risk for lung cancer. Quite the opposite, Cannabis use is being found to have some preventative role with such serious conditions as cancer and Alzheimer’s disease, and according to the latest research, Cannabis may even be an “exit substance” for recovering alcoholics/hard drug/prescription drug abusers. Cannabis criminalization leads to horrendous Civil Rights violations around the country. YES to Cannabis re-Legalization! YES on Cali Prop. 19!

anyone who actually READ the propositions article AND have been in the game a long time know exactly what time of day it is. just read johnny seed's post. he nails it. corporate america at it's finest... keep rallying your sheep boys, i'm sure the bill will pass. bye MOM, bye POP!

One small step at a time.  Returning to hemp farming belongs to the future but right now passing this proposition could be "... one small step for [California], one giant leap for [Human Rights]."

A young man, dressed in a person-of-authority costume,  came to my condo door because of a complaint from a neighbor.  I knew it wasn't Hallowe'en.

I said:

"I'm 63 years old.  I'm hard of hearing.  I thought I heard the law was changing on October 2nd and that it was happening in British Columbia.  sir."

Then I said:

"No?  You don't buy that?  Well, how about this...  I'm 63 years old.  My hearing is still pretty good.  I know it's really November 2 and it's happening in California.  I was just celebrating a little early.  sir."

Then I said:

"That's not going to cut it either?  How about this, then...  I'm 63 years old.  Do you really want to have to strip search me?  That would be like strip searching your grandmother, wouldn't it?  sir."

Then I said:

" Can I have one more shot at this?  How about... I'm 63 years old.  Do you really think you are doing the right thing?  Wouldn't you rather remember this incident as 'the one you let go'.  Because it was time and you knew she was right?  sir."

Then I said:

"Good night to you, too.  Have a great evening!  Sir."

Oh it doesn't matter. There's so much growing up here in the Sierras it's everywhere up here. From August to now I can smell it driving down the road. One time I kept smelling it driving along highway 20 near Smartsville (yes that's the name of the town). So one day I pulled over and followed my nose for about 500' and found a field of 5000 plants growing right along the highway. Up where I live, you can see whole hillsides of it. It's getting real blatant. Nobody buys pot up here this time of the year. It's becoming part of the environment. Soon everybody is going to have it in their back yard.

If Prop 19 passes, it will be one of the biggest corporate/government scams ever pulled off. The slogan should be "Let Corporations and the Government make all the money and give us nothing in return!" YAAYY for "legalizing" cannabis!!!!

What do we get out of this Prop? Well....we can carry an ounce of cannabis. Hmmm, Arnold already made that nothing but an infraction a few weeks ago. What else? Corporations could now grow it. That's it guys. Nothing else. We, in CA, get nothing from this Prop now that Arnold has done what he did. This is a money grab. Dozens of communities will be left to ruin. The Oakland Grow-Ops will soak up all the profit and inject nothing back into the CA economy, unlike now where entire counties are supported by the income of cannabis.

It is a legal nightmare, different grow laws in every county and Feds busting people whenever they want to. The LA cops have already said they are going to ignore the Prop if it passes.

No laws against cannabis will be changed. Feds can and will still raid whenever, you still can't carry more then an ounce, you can't grow anymore then you can with a medical recommendation, you still can't smoke in public anymore then you already can, 7 years jail for smoking with someone under 21, can't drive stoned (not that you should ever be able to), can't work stoned. Nothing. There is nothing here but legalizing corporate grow houses (state legalizing).

If you want Camel Cannabis from Walmart, by all means vote for Prop 19. If you want this to remain as income for the PEOPLE of CA and all over America, support decriminalization (like Arnold ALREADY DID) and medical growing (to stop anyone, corporations or people, from soaking up all the profit). This is the one market that we, as people, still control and corporations are blocked out of, let's keep it that way.

If you care about CA and it's economy, VOTE NO ON PROP 19. It's a terribly written, terribly thought out proposition that the Oakland drug cartel wants to lure us into with the big, bright, shiny promise of legal pot. It's a lie.

There was a story about a Dry county in Texas where an effort to legalize alcohol was made by referendum every election. The local churches would have bumper stickers printed out and given away that read "For the Sake of My Family VOTE Dry!". Every election the son of the biggest moonshiner in the county would drive around with TWO of these stickers on his rear bumper.

Look into the "Broadus Effect" ~ this will pass. Any poll you see on here is not a reflection of what the state's populous will actually vote. Of course lots of people don't want to publicly admit that they support Prop. 19, but behind the curtain all alone, you know what they're going to vote.