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"Stoners Against Prop 19" Debunked in New Video

Last week we reported on the forces lined up for and against California's Prop 19. A surprising element found in the "against" mix are portions of the cannabis reform community. Some of them are clearly self-interested medical marijuana sellers, and we believe that all of them are thoroughly mistaken or misguided. It's a loud group of people, but one whose actual size and significance is unclear.

I did not closely follow the evolution of the "Stoners Against Prop 19," but one event that's said to have given it steam was a video interview by California medical marijuana patient KC Kimber with Dennis Peron, the father of medical marijuana in California and sponsor of the Prop 215 medical marijuana initiative, who regrettably has opposed Prop 19. (I'm having trouble find the video, hence no link.) Kimber discovered later that Peron had fed him a lot of disinformation, and has been campaigning since then for Prop 19's passage. Yesterday he released an interview with cannabis expert and Prop 19 proponent Chris Conrad which debunks Peron's claims.

We hope that common sense (perhaps with some help from our reporting) has already made it clear to our readers that Prop 19 is a legalization initiative (albeit the first stage of legalization with more work to be done); that it will help, not hurt, medical marijuana patients (as I've gone into on Huffington Post); and that any compromises it makes are small and necessary ones and that we'll be far better off, now and in the continuing effort, if it passes. We don't want to contribute an exaggerated sense of the importance of the "Stoners Against Prop 19" movement by focusing too much attention on them, but because the vote is likely to be close, and because some of their claims have made it into the mainstream media, we are posting the video here just in case. If you want more information on this subject, we recommend Chris's Prop 19 Fact Check and Rumor Control page.

Regarding Peron, we see him as a hero for what he did to bring medical marijuana into being in California, work without which Prop 19 might not even be possible today. We've heard that he's ill, and we wish him well. Prop 19 is too important to hold back on, and so even Dennis Peron cannot be let off the hook when he spreads false information about it, at least not until the election's done.
 

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YES

YES ON PROP 19!

Come on

The only reason stoners are against 19 is because they make a profit on illegal weed. Selfish.

TheRunIsEnding

Of course the people who have made a ton of money off of cannabis's "prohibition tariff" are upset and threatened that they won't get the same financial return on their cannabis investments anymore, if Prop 19 passes.

But the bottom line is many patients cannot afford to follow their doctors' recommendations to use cannabis medicinally -- because of cannabis's way-inflated prices -- and if Peron is serious about providing real medical access to this wonderful, ancient healing plant, then Prop. 19 is definitely a move in the right direction, as it will definitely increase vital medical AND recreational access.

Time for all the growers, owners, and other involved parties -- many of whom have made small and big fortunes, especially in the Emerald Triangle -- to "suck it up," as cannabis's prices, which have been basically fixed at ridiculous levels for years, are potentially about to plummet, which will allow more patients to benefit from cannabis's wide array of medical properties. It's just a matter of time, whether 19 slides by or not, so "diversify" and learn new things today.

I realize Prop 19 will put a lot of 'gifted" professional growers out of business, for the most part, but this herb really needs to be freed -- even from those reformers who have grown so comfortable with their situation that they fail to recognize that seriously ill people need to be able to afford cannabis to use it.  

I love how all these

I love how all these Oaksterdam cronies are behind the passing of this unclear outdated prop. from 38 years ago! Chris Conrad works for Oaksterdam no wonder why he is also behind this! These selfish people are not concerned with patients rights, they are concerned with making a monopoly in Oakland. Most people are for legalization, as am I, but this is a very unclear proposition. People should really be doing their research into who the people are that want this "legalized", and realize what they are up to! All the PRO 19ers pushing this so bad, are all people involved with Oaksterdam! Richard Lee already has 4 marijuana plants planning to open if prop 19 passes, Look out CAMEL & MARLBORO HERE COMES OAKLAND! Corporate Greed will get you everytime!

Good, let the corporations

Good, let the corporations come, because, you know what?  It'll mean pot is legal.  Will there be schwag?  Sure, but it'll be legal.  Will I smoke schwag?  Sure as hell I will, because it's legal, and I'm sure there will also be higher grade stuff, because it's LEGAL, and someone will fill that market niche.

Corporations piss me off, too, but not all are bad, and if I want to stick it to the man, I'll grow my own, because . . . wait for it . . . it's FUCKING LEGAL, you braintrust.

I suggest maybe smoking something with a little less THC and maybe more CBDs or CBNs, because you're just a bit too conspiracy theorist paranoid.

Legal? Not really!

Prop 19 won't make marijuana legal! But it will give control to cities and local governments to ban dispensaries and impose taxes, possibly on even the meager 5 x 5 ft. plot recreational users will be allowed to grow in (provided they own their own home, yard/land or get express permission from their landlord). Some cities already are contemplating taxing medical marijuana grows because they can under prop 19, if it passes.

Neither Chris Conrad nor Dennis Peron have any way of knowing how law enforcement, the courts or the cities will act. 

But I know of one city where you will have no trouble buying your recreational AND medical cannabis if Prop 19 passes - Richard Lee's (and Conrad's) home base of Oakland! Talk about a profit motive. Just follow the money.

The idea that Prop 19 will weaken the Mexican drug cartels has been debunked and the idea that it will help reduce the cost of cannabis has also been debunked. Conrad mentions creating revenue for California through Cannabis tourism. Maybe, but have you ever seen a tourist trap that didn't sell cheaply made crap for inflated prices? I would venture to bet that the prices of cannabis will go up and the quality down and the lawyers and expert witnesses will make a ton more money hashing out in the courts the inconsistencies and vague points of prop 19.

Meanwhile, medical marijuana patients who are unable to grow their own or enough of their own could lose the ability to obtain their medicine at dispensaries close to them -- if their city, using the regulatory control given them under prop 19, decides to ban dispensaries.

I know, I know, as Cannabis Norml radio jock Russ (from Oregon, I think) says, if our city bans dispensaries or retail cannabis outlets, we can all just move to Oakland and make Richey Richard Lee a little richer.

leagal MJ?? hahahahahahahahah

WELL SAID!!!!! N don't forget how the prop states where we can smoke, and is anyone under 21 around?? no going into garage, another apartment or to the back of your 20acre ranch, it states 'on premises!!  N the cops will have extra work checking IDs.

Maybe you should take up the

Maybe you should take up the initiative of these Oaksterdam cronies then. Did you put a prop on the ballot? No. STFU. 

Still money to be made

The best pot out there will still be high in price. Sharpen your skills at growning, go to Oaksterdam, etc.

LEGAL POT WILL NEVER BE TAX FREE AND UNREGULATED!

Hey stoners against prop 19:

If anyone were to put an initiative on the ballot that would satisfy all you stoners who think it should be untaxed and free of all regulations IT WOULD FAIL HORRIBLY!

Are you kidding? Hello, McFly? The public isn't ready for that! Stop smoking long enough to think it through before you screw it up for all of us! 

If you bring prop 19 down because you are an idealistic moron, YOU will ruin any chances of US legalization for the foreseeable future. Is that what you want? Because you will NEVER see marijuana legalized and unregulated. Having cannabis treated like alcohol is THE ONLY HOPE WE HAVE.

I don't give a damn who grows it and I don't give a damn who sells it and I don't mind paying taxes on it, as long as it is LEGAL and I have THE RIGHT to grow my own if I wish.

Come back to the real world morons! Prop 19 is the best chance we have right now. We can always tweak it once it passes and the general public realize they've been lied to all their lives.

Prop 19 won't make marijuana

Prop 19 won't make marijuana legal! But it will give control to cities and local governments to ban dispensaries and impose taxes, possibly on even the meager 5 x 5 ft. plot recreational users will be allowed to grow in (provided they own their own home, yard/land or get express permission from their landlord). Some cities already are contemplating taxing medical marijuana grows because they can under prop 19, if it passes.

Neither Chris Conrad nor Dennis Peron have any way of knowing how law enforcement, the courts or the cities will act.  Or the federal government.

But I know of one city where you will be able to buy your recreational AND medical cannabis if Prop 19 passes (that is, if the federal government doesn't step in) - Richard Lee's (and Conrad's) home base of Oakland! Talk about a profit motive. Just follow the money.

The idea that Prop 19 will weaken the Mexican drug cartels has been debunked and the idea that it will help reduce the cost of cannabis also has been debunked. Conrad mentions creating revenue for California through Cannabis tourism. Maybe, but have you ever seen a tourist trap that didn't sell cheaply made crap for inflated prices? I would venture to bet that the prices of cannabis will go up and the quality down and the lawyers and expert witnesses will make a ton more money hashing out in the courts the inconsistencies and vague points of prop 19.

Meanwhile, medical marijuana patients who are unable to grow their own or enough of their own could lose the ability to obtain their medicine at dispensaries close to them -- if their city, using the regulatory control given them under prop 19, decides to ban dispensaries. Unfortunately, the right of cities to ban medical marijuana dispensaries is being fought over in the courts today and prop. 19 very likely could be the nail in the coffin to safe medical access.

I know, I know, as Cannabis Norml radio jock Russ (from Oregon, I think) says, if our city bans dispensaries or retail cannabis outlets and we can't grow our own, we can all just move to Oakland and make Richey Richard Lee a little richer.

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