Medical Marijuana: Veterans Administration Says Positive Marijuana Drug Screening Will Not Void Pain Contracts for Vets with Doctors' Recommendations

I believe the main problem with the VA, is the fact that they have so many doctors who are of foreign descent, and are afraid to lose there jobs with the va, if they do not tow the line. I was assigned a new doctor, and before he ever even met me, he had me urine tested. It looks like I will have too move to California, too keep up my health.

I have brought my senator into this and I hope he does not fold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The marijuana myths have been dispelled. The evil characterization of how marijuana smokers morph into some deprived dope fiend with eyes glazed over, pupils dilated, drooling at the mouth like a wild dog is our federal governments efforts to govern by fear.

Yes, marijuana has been classified by the Department of Health & Human Services as a Schedule 1 narcotic along with heroin, crack cocaine, cocaine etc. even though marijuana was once one of America's major crops. Marijuana has many uses both medicinal and utility.  Marijuana does many wonderful things to help improve one's quality of life.

I for one am sick of abiding by a false/incorrect classification of marijuana to the American people and the embarrassing hypocrisy of legalized tobacco, alcohol and so many other harmful consumables that are highly addictive, poisonous, and have killed and disabled millions of people around the world yet these substances remain legal and can be purchased just about anywhere if you are over 21.

Disabled American Veterans including myself, across America are suffering every day with PTSD and living in chronic pain from the battle wounds suffered while this veteran was putting his/her life on the line.  Now that same Veteran has to fear of losing their medical treatment (prescription pain medications) from their local VA hospital/clinic if they test positive for marijuana. Medications they have used for years and will require for the rest of their lives yet VA thinks it has the right to punish a veteran for using marijuana to treat their disabilities whether they reside in a state that has legalized medical marijuana or not.

This is a Federal law holding everything back and unless and until the HHS is ordered to amend its current classification of marijuana as a Schedule 1 narcotic which we all know to be completely false along with a lot of other fear mongering tactics the military and our federal government tries to employ to scare people away from marijuana.  It is pure discrimination for the VA to allow some veterans who live in states where medical marijuana has been allowed to continue to receive their medications where other veterans are punished by the same government they went to war to protect and defend, for medicating themselves with cannabis.

It is time for the legalization of marijuana for both recreational and medicinal purposes.  Stop discriminating against disabled veterans now!  Wake up America!!!! It is time to delete marijuana's current classification as a narcotic that harms people to a medicine and recreational stimulant that actually helps people in many different and positive ways.

A Disabled Vietnam Veteran who didn't pay the full measure but still paid a measure that will disabled him for the rest of his life. He should have the right and freedom to use any marijuana to treat any PTSD or other disability as prescribed and/or recommend by a physician, something that will never happen until this classification is changed and Obama has the legislative power to change this by Executive Order if he wanted to.

Legalize marijuana now, help Vets help themselves without living in fear of losing his medications as punishment for using marijuana.

US Marine Corps 

Raise a stink Dennis.  Write or call your congressman, Senate.  Ask to speak to the administrator and notify him/her of what happened.  Do not lay down and let them do you that way.  Stand up for your rights cause no one will do that for you!

I am a disabled veteran with 40% disability, and I have cronic pain from a parachute malfunction that I had in the 82nd Airborne Division, I injured my back and knees. I recently went to see my doctor the the VA Hospital in Battle Creek, MI and the first thing my doctor said was I using marijuana and she said she could order a lab test to check. The reality I did use it, my pain goes away, I'm taking so many pills that I was diagnosed with GERD the pills screwed my stomache up bad. So, I cannot get a prescription for medicinal marijuana because I don't have private insurance, the VA will only give me pills and tell me to have a nice day. I'm mad, my state legalized medicinal marijuana but the VA is still dealing with politics. Stop screwing us vets, I'm only 33, I'm not a hippy or an adict (I don't even smoke cigarrettes) and it seems that my service to my country is not valued because they will not help me deal with my pain without chemicals. I was anti-drug until I was in so much pain that I asked a friend to try it, it works to stops or diminishes the pain.

I am a veteran I have been service connected since 1992 20% now but i have have non service conneted treatment for a long time for depression and insomnia thats why i'm asking about this kind of therapy Thanks.

The VA is Alright with consuming a qt of whiskey but treat you like a criminal for THC. I have been on  pain management for 20 years after being petition to kill people that  never did a criminal act against the US causes me to be blown 20 ft in the air killing 3 and injuring two, I being one of the two injured . We also lost our dear German Sheppard also. I consumed less than a spoon full of marijuana and was told my pain management will end at the end of this month. Who can I contact for help?

I have been on some type of pain medications since I was wounded in Nam.  That was in 1968.  The damn VA got me hooked on Oxycodone ~ 40 & 20mg's three times a day.  They then forced me to go through a monthly pill count.  I was accused of being a drug dealer, drug seller and taking more of the pain meds than I was suppose to.  Had to start going through a monthly pee test for pot.  I lost ONE 20mg pill of the Oxycodone so the VA pharmacist decided to simply stop giving me any of the Oxycodone ~ cold turkey ~ nothing to help me.  After a week of withdrawals, I called this woman and told her I was going to drive to the clinic and she had better not be there when I arrived.  That is a THREAT to a VA employee!  Who cared, I didn't.  The day I called and said I was on my way, the pharmacist called me and said they would only supply me one 40mg Oxycodone twice daily. 

I have endured 41 service connected orthopedic surgeries (from Nam) and need to undergo three more.  However, I can't have these surgeries because the VA will not give me additional pain medications to get through the surgery pain.  All my surgeries have been in a civilian hospital for fear of being killed by some quack VA doctor.  The civilian Doctors said they would give me pain meds BUT the VA informed me that they can do a Nation wide pharmacy check to see if I am getting pain meds from other pharmacies or civilian Doctors.  If I am caught doing this, all of my meds will be immediately taken from me.

My civilian heart Doctor told me I needed to start smoking pot and would write me a prescription for it.  I live in Oregon.  He said the VA is wrecking my organs with all the pain meds they have forced on me.  I think I am just going to say the hell with the VA and get the pot.  What are they going to do, send me back to Nam?  I would enjoy the trip!!!

i have the same problem with columbia mo va system i am 70% percent disabled and epilepsy non service connected so they say but all they want to do is send me to the lab to do a drug test which last time i threw the bottle literally across the room and left they are less worried about my depression/bi-polar disorder which is my disability and want to give me zoloft sariquel and tarazodone than worry about my real issues when i went to my cardiologist who got really upset because they all lower my blood pressure and for someone who has unbelievable low blood pressure they had to perform surgery 3 years ago to fix a hole in my heart flipped out and cancelled the zoloft atleast but its funny they would rather kill me then do anything about my medical issues and just want to piss test me funny a prior vet who use to help with leo ops ie law inforcement operations chasing drug boats in the caribean now think this is all foolishness all we ever found was marijuanna and i realize just how much of a waiste of time this was

Exact same situation here!    What can we do!?  could you please e-mail me you answer

You have to move to a state where it is legalized for medicinal uses like california. Their the VA cant stop or do any thing to you as well not treat you unfairly. You need a civilian doctor to prescribe it and why. Thus the VA their will recognize but wont prescribe but leave you alone. :) Other wise you have to wait for your state to legalize Medicinal uses only if it falls under severe pain,severe mussel spasms, and severe nerve damages. and till then be their patient like a P.O.W. in your state. Look up state laws under counties conserning uses as well V.A.'s (medical marijuana : Veterans administration says: Medical marijuana drug screening will not void pain contracts for vets with doctors. See recommendations per the county that state under the above heading. i.e. Humboldt County, California Vs: Another subject by itself : V.A.Services & providers (clinic.) in that same county. You just need to do your research as I did. I can't use it where I live I have to move back to my Birth state where its ok. Their you just need a civilian doctor that will prescribe it for the severe suffering  and they provide in that county  a list of 2 doctor's when I looked that up also. Its all about re-search. I have 14 serious severe chronic injuries service connected and welcome aboard the the new battle. I am only 55 and look 85 in a walker. Take 6 T-3's per day & i feel like a lab rat ready to die.  I could't possible tell you all done to me, But I am dying from all they done to me. I can't even keep my weight above 110 and goes down to 93. I also have two shoulders with tears. Been in a $6,000.oo wheel chair and elbow crutches and now a walker.They used Cortizone shots for countless years and left me with severe bone breakage like woman have, But I still drive myself to my appointments. And spend most of my time in bed now slowly dying.

I gotta move or else ! The sting of death like this is horrifying like being in a P.O.W. death camp when I know medical marijuana can & does work. I was on also: Fentanyl 25 Mcg/hr pain patches (liquid type.) Then about seven years latter one leaked (manufacturer reasons.) It normally kills or leaves one in coma status. Now this happened to me twice. I survived ! Now thats like jumping out with no parachute at 15,000 feet spinning out control. I tried to tell the VA docs but they didn't care ! No one was home to take call a ambulance for me and you certainly cant when this happens and after the fact as if you live and its rare you are left damaged ! They did then give me the dry patch , but now it make my nerves shake out control so I cant use it. It hurts to suffer so dearly as I do ! I wish you well from this Old Sarge and this old sufferer.

By the way ; Thank you sincerely for your service :) My salute indeed for a job well done.

Hang in their :)

Sincerely yours,

Old Sarge.

Disabled Ret, U.S.A. ,  (.P.D.R.L.),

100 % disabled vet 21 years ago. Served 1973 - 85

Americas First Family Honor Roll R.I. 1640's

Look hero we dont need your dd214 and acouple of things I want to get straight with you. I was in 101st LRSD and 5th Group Special Forces I come from the most respected unit in the world the best of the best. You know what those guys dont smoke marijuna at all you know why. After the third deployment to Iraq we had 7 test positive for cocaine and a whole bunch got some DUIs. You dont smoke because your happy being a drunk living in your bitterness keeping your self on a platform above everyone else. I find it almost impossibe to believe that you have been in almost every single conflict since World War 2. Being in Special Forces there are plenty of lifers and not one of them have been to Nam or Korea because most people from that era are in their sixties and if your not a General you are past the age requirements. The oldest person I met was a CSM 18d who celebrated his 52 birthday in Iraq he too was a drunk. So keep living the fanatsy of how we are all scumbags and only you can save America. You know why the smokers in Vietnam where hated because pot makes people passive which means im not getting up to go get shot in the jungle so some old guy back in thestates gets richer.

I'm a RN. Have been since '86. I'm also a Oz vet, USMC. I receive no disability from the VA, because I've had to work all my life, and don't have the time to deal with it. Now that they have allowed CAD related to Agent Orange, I could probably get 100%, since I've had 5 MI's. However, your statement about the medical use of weed is stupid. They {our all knowing government} do not allow studies to be done, so there is no scientific evidence to say yes or no to the use of marijuana for any medical condition. We know it is effective in glaucoma and pain control, however, people like you deny that fact because of your preconceived prejudiced remembrances of "hippies".

I'm a Gulf War combat vet with a tank-load of conditions. All the so-called medicines you're pushing are screwing more vets up than you admit. I'm glad to admit that many meds do help, but the issue isn't as simple or black and white as you describe.
I'm also a mental health counselor for vets. I've seen vets come in on literally 15 different meds that are more doped up than any pot smoker I've ever seen. A great example is morphine. Isn't that addictive? Isn't it psychoactive? Wake up! The fact is that cannabis is basically the safest drug that actually provides some relief for many problems vets have. Problems like nausea, PTSD, insomnia and pain. I have nerve damage from nerve gas. PTSD, Panic Disorder and Major Depression from combat. Back pain from jumping off vehicles loaded down with 50 - 100 lbs of gear. I've seen men turned into zombies after the VA had their way with them.
Weed is safer than alcohol, yet alcohol is legal. Take a look at the book, 'Marijuana is Safer: So Why Are We Driving People to Drink?', written by the retired Seattle Chief of Police, Norm Stamper, describing this issue in great detail from all his years of experience.
I'm not saying there aren't drug abusers out there. But I see more OEM & OIF vets addicted to violent video games just to get their minds of sh*t than those 'addicted' to pot.
I've seen vets who've got up in the middle of the night on Ambian and tried to carry out combat missions and threaten others lives all while being "asleep" on that dope only to wake up totally disoriented and unaware of what they did.
I'd say going to war, being shot at and bombed is slightly more dangerous than marijuana, but our government has no trouble sending us out for that. Consider the REAL reasons behind cannabis prohibition and you'll see it's money and power. Vets become victims of a system that they have fought to protect. How sad that is...

Booo hooowie... do you want a tissue??? ""I have done this, and that. Been in this war, and that war."  "Health Practitioner this".     "I know what's right for  you," VIETNAM ERA CHILDREN  " No smokie smoke, no takie pain awayie.  Use OPIATES OUR 3rd AND 4th GENERATION DRUGS I KNOW BEST BECAUSE I'M A "HEALTH PRACTITIONER"!!! 

AWWWwwwwwwww B.S. on your part , It's gonna happen so live with it nothing you can do about it!

It's INEVITABLE!!!!!!!!!

I can see how heroin and weed have alot in common! call me Rockefeller!

Marijuana Got a demonized name along with serious drugs used by hippies known better as the flower children. The real culprit of the terror in VietNam was in the C-Rations better know As: M.S.G and top it off they issued Cigarettes too which is known to be a killer drug next to alcohol responsible for the greatest deaths! Next to that was a limited powers in warfare for the soldiers to get the Job done. It was a night mare war like S. Korea ! It was limited by fears of Nukes being used as threats on the U.S.A.( COLD WAR ERA.) And this subject is about Medicinal uses some thing you have never realized and you are in a Federal job where you are limited to deal with helping Service Members being out of pain or else you loose your Job! The VA is a good source of helping its best citizens but not in this other realm. I agree that alcohol or drugs in our uniformed services was clean. I saw what it did any realm. We didn't need soldiers falling asleep and alerted X's three. But they aloud recreational use of dangerous alcohol uses and I was injured severely by such is two of my severe service connected disabilities. They didn't test them for doing to me what they did ! That was okay to cause damages to me for the rest of my life and tax payers are paying for that too and the more for all the attention and drugs or other things when they could indeed be saving the tax payers money with simple Marijuana medicinal use ! GET IT LOUD AND CLEAR YET ??????

Loud & clear:

Medical uses only:

For severe sufferers only; Not as a recreational drug ! Whats this got to do with some whom used it in VietNam> Nothing ! Absolute nothing ! We are not talking about while serving ones country. Rather the opposite and much more you all don't want to comprehend. Your not God nor Jesus to see another's suffering's; But rather pretend to know and do things your way making us or trying to make us feel we don't have those sufferings and write it down in our medical records the way you want it to feel in your brains & hearts.

My Grandfather after serving WW I Grew it on his farm for the government uses.I was just a tadpole then. They burned the none uses of the plant & I remember just feeling happy and relaxed & I was just 5 1/2.  No it shouldn't be used in common society, But rather in one where its used as to help one eat, Sleep, and get out of suffering. You have no Idea how good medicinal Marijuana works so well. Other wise you then go with being scared along with the demonized bad dream they made it out to be.

I know far worse drugs the VA issues that do so much damages to our vets! Any way the only harm is when one is tired and driving at night one could fall asleep and hear is where all they need is do like they do with other drugs 20 times more danger to ones driving and good health. Just simply when prescribed like the others is: Warning about driving while use of the drug. Other wise I assure you this drug is not harmful like the real heavy drugs or alcohol can damage and cause death. Even mental meds are by Far dangerous the VA loves to use on ones brain to shut the Vet up and still leave them in all that pain ! They use it on the public as well . Every one these days and allot of them are dangerous to drive while using or at work.

Medicinal Marijuana should never be aloud to be in great quantity when growing for the patient in dire need. Hear is the real danger if the Grower abuses their rights and takes the chemical to another realm the drug they have been using for cancer patients dying or while they recover. This is a lab changed into a higher dangerous drug.

This is where it could be misused and thus given a evil name to the public recreation. 

But medicinal uses are not an abuse in the lower realm of the drug unchanged ! It should only be used for those suffering severe pain and I don't feel you can feel their pain any more then mine. Your not aloud to for now. Your not in that realm of severe suffering to live or else you would not be able to work. Demonizing your veterans that do suffer so severe shows your also not their to care but control like they were in uniform. (before they were injured so severely.)

READ OUR LIPS IF YOU CARE AS A CARE GIVER's: MEDICAL MARIJUANA DOES THE LEAST HARM; YET GREATIST HELP IF USED AS ONLY FOR SUCH REASONS. OR CONTINUE YOUR DEMONIZING THE VERY MEN/WOMEN WHOM WORE UNIFORM LIKE YOU but LEFT DAMAGED SEVERELY or BE LIKE THE ENEMY YOU FOUGHT IN VIETNAM.

GOD CREATED IT THE WAY IT IS FOR A GOOD REASON. IF CHANGED ; IT CAN BE DAMAGING I AGREE.

NO LESS THEN OTHER DRUGS AT HIGHER LEVELS THEY CHANGED BUT GIVE TO VETS THAT DONT GET REST FROM ALL THE OTHER SUFFERING: SLEEP, EATING SPASEM'S, MUSSEL & NERVE PAINS & THE EXTRA PAIN THESE OTHER SEVERE SUFFERING CREATE. ITS EVIDENCE YOU DO NOT LIVE IN MUCH PAIN OR ELSE YOU COULD NOT FUNCTION IN YOUR JOB; SO STOP DEMORALIZING THOSE WHO DO NEED IT; AS WELL STOP DEMONIZING MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

SINCERELY & HONORABLY YOURS,

RET, U.S.A. (P.D.R.L.)

 & A.F.F.Honor Roll 1640's R.I.

You are very judgmental showing a profound disrespect towards others. You do not approve fine, but then to turn around and make prejudicial remarks shows a serious lack of education and respect for the democratic process. What kind of healthcare do you practice, orderly? Your grammar is atrocious and it is all to obvious that you are a liar as well. You sir belong with the Nazi horde from whom you were spawned.

Shocked

apparently those shots and I.E.D.'s did more than you know. Learn some real facts. Than maybe you've earned the right to talk shit.. DOPES like yourself gave Marijuana that name. The drug problem in Vietnam, mostly opiates was a big problem and too deep of a conversation for your simple mind. your stuck in your own ignorant hypocriticalness.

I never used drugs in Viet Nam we were too busy fighting . Please do not imply that if you went to Viet Nam you used drugs. I would be willing to bet you were in Saigon am I wrong?

What do you know? You got a dam big mouth and I would love to fill it with my fist and foot you stupid moron.  What do you know about every Vietnam Veteran who may have smoked marijuana and you have the balls to just throw everyone in together.  Oh you are disabled from gunshots and and IED? Does that make you extra special or smart? Big fucking deal. Screw you. Ever hear of friendly fire dickhead?

You must be one of those bottle or can hugging alcoholics who shoots off his big dam mouth insulting those veterans who may use medical marijuana to treat their symptoms.  There are many more alcoholics in the military than there will ever be pot smokers.  Even though alcohol may be legal along with cigarettes and other tobacco products that kill, it is still IMO a much more addictive and dangerous drug than some pot. Stick it up your ass you fucking jagoff.

I see your point Sir... there are those who just want to get High. Pls excuse my typing.... i joined the Navy in 82 and told the Navy  i had smoked MJ in the past. I was active duty in the Navy for nearly 8 yrs and spent half that time in the PI. I was not even tempted to use it. My personal convictions was that it was wrong morally and legally. I include it was morally wrong because i used it to get high as a youngster. I admit i abused it but i did not understand it.

In the early 90's after leaving the Navy i joined the Nat Guard. Never went to Army bootcamp. Was deployed to Iraq in 04 and lived out in town, at a Iraq police station for many months. After being ambushed and in another major fire fight (with "Brent R. Baldwin" ) i changed. I mean to say...i felt the hand of death over me...and it stirred my butt to fight like a madman......i came home a different person and was fired from my state police job..I was told i was damaged goods. Returned to Iraq and Afghanistan as a civ...for Eight more yrs and held more... dead and injured but i was were I was supposed to be.

As i look back and as i now understand it, PTSD drove me...drove my mind...which drove my body; but i did not care. I received a Superior Civ Service award fm Gen John Cambell in 2010...but i was a wreck emotionally and physically. In all, I had waited 3000 plus days in Iraq and Afghan...before i got help. I did not smoke while on duty. I smoked while on R&R...and i began to learn some things about myself. I did not want to go home again.....to the people who did not understand me. In 2013, i could no longer physically continue. I came home and made my first visit ever to the VA.  By then, My wife had left me...my kids had all grown up and left...even my dogs had died, neighbors had died. It was too much for me. The VA had no idea what was all wrong with me. I went in with tears rolling down my face...They soon saw that i had a bad cervical cord impingement (myelopathy), worn out SI joints, Torn-up shoulder and feet issues but It still took nearly 2 years for the VA to get me to a nero Dr. Meanwhile, MJ gave me hope. I was 100% honest to the VA. I had nothing left to lose. Mental heath Phd's were for the most part a complete disappointment. All they had to offer were pills and conjecture. They treated me like i was a stupid..becasue i told them i was using MJ to cope with pain.

I have had a couple of surgeries this yr and now rated at 80% on initial claim. I pissed off the Mental Health Phd's so much that they refused to say i had PTSD... and so i got nothing for PTSD. Yet all throughout my file they made damm sure I am called a drug abuser because i used MJ to ease my pain. LOL.

I was 100% honest....I have little regrets being so honest. These days i have long stopped using MJ because it is illegal; and i i knew i would have quickly hanged myself if sent to jail for smoking MJ. 

VA now has me on a strong pain pill (narcotic) I refused to take for as long i could but going to the ER for pain quickly changed my mind. Still i feel i am killing my organs and i have no drive to do much now. I miss the positive effects of MJ. It helped me create my own balance. How do i explain?  Lets  see. I did not smoke to escape pain... I smoked to ease pain sure but there was another element. When a balanced of low THC/CBD is used it promotes healthy thoughts, thus A healthy Mind, Will and Emotions....and then a healthy body. It may be a body in pain...but it's happy for the most part because all the other Parts are talking.

MJ is a tool.A long term pain tool; if used correctly, it will help me. If used incorrectly, like any other substance, it can and probably will do more harm than good. It's that simple...to me anyway. Pain pills do not enhance this inner communication. They just kill pain...but the long term side effects are repulsive...destroying the liver and kidneys, ect. thus the end result is a premature exit. 

 Look at Prohibition...it's authors had good intentions...but in the end (a decade later) it was obvious they were wrong about one thing; that BOOZE should be outlawed because "we" believe it's Gods will or our will.

.Thank you for listening.

I received a letter today that all veterans who are on pain medicines will be taken off of them from here on out. If you doubt the letter just let me know and I will be happy to get you a copy of the letter. It specifically says that the only veterans that will allowed to remain on pain meds are those who have surgery or acute injuries and no longer than 4-6 weeks. THIS is what the letter said. The patient advocates two of them, said they got news of that it is everywhere. According to them. I have a spine disease with no unaffected discs left and have taken pain meds for years. The same doctor who has given me pain meds for over 3 years all of a sudden decides the pain meds are for only those who have acute injuries and only for 4-6weeks. So according to the letter all across America veterans who have fought for liberty and suffer due to injury and disease caused by their service, are now to just go off and deal with the agonizing pain. They also inform the public that there is such a high amount of veteran suicides. All over every hospital there are pamplets and magnets and cards and flyers where to call if your suicidal and urging vets to ask for help. YET how many more will now kill themselves because they are abandoned even more to be left with pain not even gettign symptoms treated anymore which is about all they have ever got. treating vets like they are just a bunch of whiny junkies with no real medical problems. On a side note, has no one noticed that the average percent of foreign doctors are 80% foreign? Only 20 percent of doctors are american. Most are from countries who do not agree with our culture and always minimize veterans problems. I have talked to many people who have been pooped on by such doctors. One guy had blood in his urine and his doc said it was in his head. He went to private doc and he had cancer. THAT is what American vets deal with. What urks me more is that lawyers across the country will hardly take on the VA . Well I hope Lawyers are batting up to the plate on this one if they care anything about vets at least let them have pain meds for pain. REALLY..how retarded is a doctor who has given pain meds for years to say "all of a sudden" " oh I have given you pain meds for years but you know what? I should not have as it is only for people to be on for 4-6 weeks." Dont even bother to discuss it in person just send some creepy stale letter saying your cut off. WOW. NEVER a problem with taking them in any wrong way or anything just out of the blue every american vet is cut off. Tapering one dose per month. If you take 4 pills you suddenly get three then next month 2 and so on till nothing. ALL the pain you have had? well IT wont disappear! Well I am getting my suit ready. Hope to see some class actions on this one. I am also going to be monitoring the suicide rate from what it is now and months form now after they leave poor vets in pain all across our land and the public just does nothing to speak up for the vets nor lawyers. Your welcome for your service VA.

When you are clean except for the meds the VA doc wants to see in the urine, like prescribed meds.

Freeze your urine. It will last for a year or so. Make sure it is closed well in the freezer. Thaw it out in warm water and give this to the VA. It has worked 3 times for me.