Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin (R) last Wednesday signed into law a bill, House Bill 2388, that requires welfare applicants to be screened for possible drug use and drug tested upon suspicion they are using. They would be denied benefits if they test positive. The screening requirement is designed to surmount constitutional objections to mandatory, suspicionless drug testing of public benefits applicants and recipients.
Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin (wikimedia.org)
Several other states have passed public benefits drug testing laws with a screening process to create "reasonable suspicion" that a given individual might be a drug user. Those include Arizona and Missouri last year and Utah and Tennessee this year. The Tennessee bill has yet to be signed by the governor, but he has said he will do so. None of these state laws have yet faced legal challenges.
The Oklahoma law takes effect November 1 and is aimed at adults applying for the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) program. Applicants who refuse to take the drug test or who test positive will be denied benefits. Applicants who test positive and then undergo a drug treatment program -- at their own expense -- can reapply for benefits after six months.
Child-only cases and cases where the parent is underage would not have to be drug tested. If a parent is denied benefits, the bill allows for payments to be made to an alternative payee.
Under an amendment passed in the Senate, the state will pay for the cost of drug testing. The bill originally called for applicants to pick up the tab.
"House Bill 2388 will help ensure welfare checks are not being used to pay for drugs. Hard working taxpayers shouldn't be asked to subsidize drug abuse, and this bill will help to ensure they are not," Fallin said in a signing statement.
"Additionally, HB 2388 helps to preserve the mission of state-funded welfare -- to provide a social safety net helping the unemployed and needy get back on their feet, find work and support their families," the Republican governor continued. "Unfortunately, drug abuse prevents many recipients of welfare from achieving any of these goals. Drug addiction and illegal drug use contribute to child abuse and child neglect. They also make it difficult to find and hold a job. For all these reasons it is important for drug users and those with substance abuse problems to seek treatment rather than simply being handed a check from Oklahoma taxpayers."
Oklahoma Democrats opposed the bill, with Sen. Jim Wilson (D-Tahlequah) calling it "poor policy" and "mean-spirited" during earlier debates, and Sen. Tom Ivester (D-Sayre) questioning why only one population that receives state assistance should be subjected to drug testing. But their Republican colleagues weren't listening.
Unconstitutional Class Warfare
Warrantless search. No probable cause.
Supreme Court originally allowed this kind of search under some very narrowly defined terms having to do with public trust and safety (think mass transportation of passengers,etc.). This is an unwarranted invasion of privacy undertaken to enforce moral behavior. Government has crossed the line. It is destructive to the human spirit, intimidating, and expensive.
This is not a good way of regulating supply side demand for drugs. This is more like the road to slavery.
Do I sense that you are
Do I sense that you are drug user trying to get a free pass?
Dumbass!
When you don't any facts...use personal Attacks
In the debate of drug policy it often occurs that when someone raises legitimate criticism of drug testing, some feel the compulsion to impugn the motives of the critic. I am quite certain that you BOL don't know whether the blogger you questioned uses drugs or receives welfare. Why don't you just stick with provable facts instead launching your personal attacks that are baseless and cheapen the debate. You need to be called out for your simple minded tactics. I encounter this sort of crap on talk radio when I question a prohibition policy and the next caller accuses me of being the poster boy for not legalizing drugs. You are not informed or entertaining. Just defending a stupid policy with no facts to back up your arguments.
State mandated drug testing
Drug testing of persons applying or receiving welfare payments is fair based on industry standards in the United States. People who are receiving welfare payments are expected to spend that money on their families. The argument that children will suffer if welfare payments are withheld are diminished when you figure that the money meant to provide food, clothing, and shelter for the child will instead go to a drug dealer for the satisfaction of the irresponsible parent.
The last corporate job I held required drug testing of all acceptable candidates for available jobs. Fully 30% of the people who were hired contingent on passing a drug screening test. If you can't pass a drug test for a job you don't have any business receiving welfare intended to help you through a short hard time in your life because when you do find a job you will be disqualified.
Violates the 4th amendment
The state is not an industry. It's a violation of the 4th amendment. It appears Americans are to ignorant to know what the constitution is.
State Mandated Drug Testing
As a person having to be drug tested at my employment what is the difference for a person drawing money from the state to support their family being drug tested? Should a person being supported by their state also perform community service? I say if they are going to be supported by the people that do work yes.
State mandated drug testing
Drug testing of persons applying or receiving welfare payments is fair based on industry standards in the United States. People who are receiving welfare payments are expected to spend that money on their families. The argument that children will suffer if welfare payments are withheld is diminished when you figure that the money meant to provide food, clothing, and shelter for the child will instead go to a drug dealer for the satisfaction of the irresponsible parent.
The last corporate job I held required drug testing of all acceptable candidates for available jobs. Fully 30% of the people who were hired contingent on passing a drug screening test failed the drug screening test. If you can't pass a drug test for a job you don't have any business receiving welfare intended to help you through a short hard time in your life because when you do find a job you will be disqualified.
Oklahoma Drug Testing
Why should a person give up their personal rights and privacy just so they can get help to provide for their family?
I would rather live on a park bench without government assistance, then to allow another constitutional right to be taken away. If you have children and you need help financially I guess I am supposed to pee in a cup anytime you want me too or when maybe a social worker is having a bad day and wants to assert her power over the welfare slave and make the mom take a drug test just to prove she has more power than you. There is too much room for abuse of power when people who can take your children and financial support away get to randomly or with their idea of probable cause drug test you. What about false positives?
There was a case that was just settled with the Department of Social Services in California where the social worker was found completely guilty of lying about the abuse of 2 children. The mom lost years with her daughters because a couple of social workers would not admit that they made a mistake and the lies started and continued to the point where the mom had to fight for years.
I am so angry that once again, another state is drinking some socialist kool-aid and trying to control the welfare class that they are turning into a class of slaves. When will we stop giving up our rights to privacy and warrantless searches? Why don't they create more balance with those in power and let the welfare recipient randomly test the social worker?Yeh I know that would never happen. Why don't we random drug test people when they go to the bank, the store, walk your dog in the park, go to the movies? After all, its all about having equality in America, right?
By the way TANF funding comes from the Federal Government so what the hell does it matter to you Arizona and Oklahoma? The amount of money a person receives does not even cover 1/4 of the rent on an apartment in California as well as utilities and other costs for living. So to rally the political support of your voters by saying that we must stop supporting drug habits through welfare is fallacious reasoning. Do you know what a hasty generalization is Governors? Someone on welfare did drugs so everyone on welfare must pay the price and they are probably all in danger of pissing away our taxpayer money. This is almost an extravagant hypothesis. This is just another move to jump on the bandwagon of punishing people for being poor and struggling. After all, what is the income and education of the people creating and signing these bills to drug test?
Hey America, please stand against giving away our personal freedoms and rights to privacy....I never thought in my lifetime that I would be looking at the change in legislature and think, "Hey when you want to search me or test me just because you may think you have a good reason......wait a minute....Thats how they treat people in Vietnam, North Korea, and China...it is intrusive, controlling, and disgusting to slowly slip into the lie of communist behavior when the founders of our country fought and paid a very high price to give us the God given right to personal freedom. Yep, its in the Declaration of Independence and that thing called the Constitution. Would someone from Oklahoma or Arizona or any other place taking rights away please take a break from your busy day and read both documents again?
Personally I think we should
Personally I think we should drug test all these politicians and corporate CEOs because they can actually afford to purchase drugs and do use them. Most people on welfare do hold down jobs and have already have been drug tested. Some of them even have jobs where they get drug tested randomly. How many times do these people need to get tested for something they can't even afford.
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Oklahoma Drug Testing
Well, You are an idiot. Perhaps you should live on a park bench if that is your wish. Because if you want me to supply you the money to do drugs that is where you belong. When you come and ask for money you should be required to prove you are not using it for illicit purposes.
Quote"By the way TANF funding comes from the Federal Government so what the hell does it matter to you Arizona and Oklahoma? " So who do you think provides the money to the government? Do you think they just print some more? (although Obama thinks we can) No, we pay that in taxes too.
Quote"The amount of money a person receives does not even cover 1/4 of the rent on an apartment in California as well as utilities and other costs for living " Well the cost of living in California is much higher. Do you think we should pay for people to live in high-rise ultra luxury apartments? If you are having money troubles you should consider moving somewhere cheaper. That's what a sane person would do before asking for welfare.
Ok, let's look at the other side of the coin. Do you think that people should be searched or go thru screening at the airport? There have probably only been a few hundred hijackers total, ever. Yet over 1 million people fly every day. So the ratio of hijackers to normal law abiding airline passengers is probably around .00000001%. I would bet money that the incidence of people using drugs on public assistance is "higher", (pun not intended). So why do you submit to these invasive searches for the bad acts of just a few? Maybe you should start a petition asking the families of the victims from 9/11 or any other hijacking to ask the federal government to stop searches at airports. Good luck getting a signature.
People need a little help sometimes, I get that. And I do not mind helping. I do not want to help anyone get high.
The welfare system is supposed to be there for temporary help. Not to provide a living.
Quote"God given right to personal freedom ", A human being is entitled to this. I would agree. However, when they ask me to finance their lack of planning, foresight, or surplus of bad luck. They must be wiling to prove that they are not using it for getting high. I feel certain that if someone really needs it to help their family, they would gladly submit to a completely non-invasive urine test. We are not asking for blood samples or hair follicle. The only people bitching are the ones that want to use the money for drugs.
Do we drug test you every
Do we drug test you every time you get in a car and drive? How about drug test every mother and father and grandmother and grandfather because they raise children and might influence them? How about everyone employed in any job because they might make a mistake and produce something wrong? Hell lets just make mandatory testing for everyone from the time they are born till we die, you know someone might get high and make some a mistake.
I'd agree with the
I'd agree with the warrantless search qualm if they were testing for alcohol or tobacco. They are testing for the ILLEGAL use of drugs whether illicit or prescription. If you have a prescription, you won't be denied benifits.
How about we test you every
How about we test you every time you want to drive your car since you will be using government roads to drive on. Just make a call to local guv every time you want to go to the store to get some milk. Who knows what you have been doing, so lets test every time just to be sure.
Perfect, get your hand back
Discrimination nation
Next there will be a law to send the people who test positive to drug reeducation camps.
It's discriminatory laws like this that led to the death camps. Laws like this are the first policy of no-policy politicians. They use issues like this to cover their incompetence. While some people get rich the economy goes under and the poor get the blame for their total mismanagement.Legalize! Apologize! Compensate!More truth to this than you know.
Richard Miller's seminal work "Drug Warriors and Their Prey: From Police Power to Police State" pretty much lays out what has been happening these past 40 years, with an emphasis about how eerily this is following a certain script, the same kind used by fascist governments throughout history.
Step by step, one unConstitutional law at a time, one quarter-turn of the tyranny screw at a time, brick by brick, loop by loop of razor wire, the machinery of elimination is being constructed, waiting for just the right degree of public hysteria to be unleashed. And we're getting there, unless we turn the tide and get re-legalization legislation passed.
Get clean, get a job. Pretty
Get clean, get a job.
Pretty simple. Loser.
Why not test for alcohol as
Why not test for alcohol as well
Drinking is legal duh!!!
Why not test sugar levels?
If we're going to look for a symptom of a health problem and stop benefits until someone is no longer symptomatic, why just addiction? How about excess sugar in the blood? (surely too much sugar is not a good use of public funding!)
Taxpayers paying for drug testing to save taxpayer money
Under the guise of protecting taxpayer money from possibly being spent on illegal drugs, taxpayers will have to pay for drug testing. Gee, I wonder how this Republican social welfare investment will pan out? I doubt the bill includes a methodology for evaluating the program's net taxpayer savings. How would an auditor measure illegal drug purchases prevented?? Finally, I wonder which campaign contributor will get that drug testing contract? It seems morality is a great way to grow pork in Oklahoma...
Drug tests are very expensive
Drug tests are very expensive and I'm pretty sure that the reason for all this hysteria about welfare recipients being drug addicts is due to someone wanting to sell drug tests to the state. Apparently they aren't raking enough money in from all these companies that drug test their employees.
But being an alcoholic, reeking of booze is okay?
But being an alcoholic, reeking of booze is okay?
Interesting
This is a touchy subject for a lot of people. There is a good case to be made though. People who work for a living have to be drug tested. So why shouldn't those who are receiving money from the government.
"Government"
The difference is the word "government." The government has a lot more restrictions on it than a privately owned business. Yes, if a business wants to drug test their employees, they should go for it. There are definite performance and safety issues. But the government is forbidden from unwarranted search and seizure. This law clearly violates that part of the constitution.
However, the idea that this is a ginormous waste of scarce resources. The very poor use drugs at a far lower rate than the population at large. Florida's version of this law is a joke. A very, very expensive joke. I'm not sure I'm willing to spend millions of taxpayer dollars so that a bunch of politicians can have a laugh.
Test em all!!
Why not test everyone that walks thru the door first.
Post a huge sign out front that you will be doing this as well. This will cut down on the idiots that spend my money on drugs!
If you need assistance, you shouldn't be using drugs. How can you afford them?
As far as all that goes, test for nicotine too. Weed out the freeloaders! Go Gov!
What happened to the fifth amendment? And the forth?
The state will have to get a warrant for every test they require. Then a man has the right not to testify against himself, this makes the test results inadmissible. Drug tests in themselves are unconstitutional. To be fair, all state paid employee's should have to test also.
Simple Simon
Political Rhetoric....and Hate Mongering Christians....What about the children who have no control over an adults addictions ? Let the children go hungry ? Hypocritical Ignorance, feeds the fire of malice, in a country laden with political zealots. Many of whom enjoy their own deviances. Taking one look at Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin, I form the opinion, that she herself is enjoying her prescription medications. Those droopy eyes of hers suggest as much. Or perhaps she had a couple of cocktails prior her taking her official photograph. And for the record. The number one drug being abused in America today, are prescription medications. So get off the high-horse that you hypocrites ride, and never forget the children that this Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin wants to starve. You hate Mongering Christians; your arguments are feeble. And as you all say; "God is watching us".
OKLAHOMA-Selfish Criminal Officials
OKLAHOMA is a Horrible State with Criminal Officials getting away with pay offs and criminal activity.
GET RID OF HER OKLAHOMA GET A INDIAN IN OFFICE.
Drug testing is for slaves
Some people are stupid sheeple when it comes to drug testing. Yeah, go urinate in a bottle like a good little slave and maybe your master will let you lick the crumbs out of his hand! All drug testing should be banned everywhere, be it government or private sector. Workplace drug testing is especially dangerous to liberty, because of the mistaken belief of many that the Constitution applies to the government but not to private employers. So then, what happens when ALL workplaces everywhere require drug testing and you can't get a job ANYWHERE without having to piss in a bottle? Is that freedom? Is it? What about those of us who don't believe in drug testing, who have libertarian or religious beliefs against it? Are we to be left with the choice of either starving or doing something which we don't believe in, which violates our conscience? Sounds eerily like the mark of the beast in Revelation 13. No man may buy or sell without having the mark of the beast. You can't buy or sell things without money, and in order to have money you have to have a job, and in order to have a job you have to take a drug test. Sounds like a drug test is sort of a mark in itself, it marks you as either a drug (or pot) user or a non-user. Anybody who objects to this will be labeled as a drug user, even though there's no evidence to back it up. Is this what we want? To live with the illusion of safety? The world has been a dangerous place since the beginning of time. No amount of drug testing will make it any safer. To think we can create a danger-free world is a delusional fantasy. I'd rather live in a world with danger and freedom than live in a world with the illusion of safety and no freedom.
All drug testing leads to a police state
Some sheeple believe in drug testing for "safety sensitive" positions. What are "safety sensitive" positions? Who defines what they are? Some would say they are jobs which require the use of dangerous equipment, such as construction, etc. Using this same logic then, it is a very short leap to make the argument that we are all dangerous equipment operators, because after all, most of us operate one of the most dangerous pieces of heavy equipment there is on a daily basis; the automobile. Should everybody have to take a drug test to get a drivers license? Or how about renewing it? A hypothetical scenario would probably play out something like this: Some state somewhere will probably pass a law requiring new drivers (mostly young teenage kids) to take a drug test in order to get their drivers license. The kids, being ignorant that a pre-drug test America existed, and being programmed to be non-thinking slaves by the public school system, would blindly obey such a tyrannical law without question. Soon, other states would follow suit and it would be like that in all 50 states. Nobody would dare oppose it because we must all be good citizens and do our part to ensure a "drug-free public roads system" or some nonsense like that. Of course they would tell the rest of us not to worry, because the drug tests are for new drivers only. But we know how that works. The next step would be to drug test everybody every time they renew their drivers license, usually every four years, but that it would apply only to those who have been driving for ten years or less. From there it would expand to EVERYBODY who renews their drivers license, no matter how long they have been driving. It wouldn't matter if a person has been driving 30 to 40 years with an unblemished driving record because collectivism makes no such distinction, it punishes the innocent along with the guilty. Of course there would be exemptions for certain people, mainly the politicians who make the laws and other ruling class wealthy elites. Then they will find yet another problem to use as justification to expand their police state even more; certain people will stay clean for a period of time, long enough to pass their drug test and get their license renewed. Once they do, they will resume smoking their weed, so there will STILL be people driving who have marijuana in their system. The solution will be obvious; random drug testing for ALL licensed drivers. Each citizen will now live in fear, knowing that at any time, they may receive a notice in their mail from the state DOT ordering them to report to the nearest licensing center for a random drug test within the next 24 hours. Failure to comply will mean an automatic revocation of their drivers license, as will a failed drug test. Some people will then use the defense that they never received such a notice in the mail, so the next step would be for the police to come to you house ordering you to take a piss test. And who would be behind all of this? The drug testing industry, run by the corporate elites and the politicians who are of course exempt from the draconian laws they pass on the rest of us serfs. They get richer and we get poorer. The drug testing industry is an ever expanding parasite that feeds off the blood of the people, slowly sucking the lifeblood out of our freedoms and our Constitution. This is how tyrants work. Mark my words folks, this is what is coming unless we stand up and just say NO to ALL drug testing EVERYWHERE. Once you allow tyrants to get their foot in the door they will not stop until they have totally robbed us of our freedom and created a totalitarian Orwellian police state. Give them just once inch and they'll take a foot. It's time we put them out of business and throw these criminals in jail where they belong.
Waste of Time, Money and Liberty
People on welfare can't afford drugs. They use drugs at a FAR lower rate than the population. Florida's drug testing program has been money down a rat hole. And now Oklahoma plans to pour money down the same rat hole for no reason other than "hey, we're mean and tough!" You'd think they would be cruel to poor people in more cost-efficient ways.
These drug testing companies
These drug testing companies just want more customers. How much you want to make a bet that they're the ones pushing this mandatory drug testing for welfare recipients and causing all this hysteria about how everyone on welfare is a raging dopehead? I smell money.
I agree with the drug testing
And for those who feel its a violation of our privacy rights, they aren't testing for alcohol, they are testing for ILLEGAL DRUGS. If it was against our privacy rights, then officers wouldn't be allowed to search our vehicles if they suspect the driver of using drugs.
Be An American
So I have been reading through some of the so called responses which seem more like rebukes to the new Oklahoma State Law. So you think that you should receive welfare and be on drugs? I look around at the government housing additions and you see brand new vehicles that cost in the upwards of $30,000 or more. But you live in government housing, using food stamps, a free cell phone because you are on food stamps, and medical assistance for the children you have had by a father that won't marry you so that you can still get assistance and even though he is not supposed to live with you he seems spends the night pretty frequently and neither the woman or the man have jobs. I was a mother of two who was divorced making 7.35 and hour, not receiving child support and I could have very easily applied for assistance to help pay my families way. However i had to get a better paying job and yes that required a drug test and offered me all the same benefits the welfare recipients are receiving so why should they not be drug tested? Even though we are a democracy even the troops that defend you very people who are fighting this law have to pass drug tests and they don't only have a pre-employment drug test they are tested randomly to ensure that they are at the top of their game to be sharp as a tack when they are called upon.
As an employee of any company, government or industry you should be on the top of the game to preform your work everyday. As a welfare applicant you should want to do better some of these posts imply that poor people are not lazy they just don't know how to take advantage of opportunities presented to them. So are they being implied to be so stupid they can't help themselves? I don't even know how you can say that they can't take advantage of opportunities they are presented if they have applied for assistance they have taken advantage of and opportunity. Now why not get the opportunity of learning a trade at the cost of the state also through a program which would be an opportunity? Are they not smart enough to learn how to fish for themselves? I have to say to Governor Mary Fallin good job and thank you for making such a strong and assertive law come to reality. A big high five!
Are we helping or hurting those in need?
I live in the Boston area and let me say I know countless drug addicts look forward to their public assistance checks weekly, monthly. They all round up, rent a hotel room, and get nice and high on the tax payers dollar. Being familiar with substance abuse, we are enabling these individuals and once the enabling is stopped, many do seek help! In addition, how unconstitutional is this? Many employers require drug screening prior to hiring and some insurance companies require drug screening in hazardous areas. And I don't believe this is unconstitutional if both parties agree, for example walk into a court house and you are subject to search. If you chose not to be searched "you walk out." I'm willing to help anyone, but I will not contribute to their self destruction. Just sayin! Thanks
We are drug tested at my work
We are drug tested at my work to stay employed and receive a salary.... how is this different?
some are only in your system for 72 hours
Oklahoma Governor Signs Welfare Drug Test Bill
Wow. Some of these comments are just killing me! If you cannot pass a drug test you should not get public assistance. Period.
As for the comment about kids going hungry because their parent uses...it states in the article (quote) "Child-only cases and cases where the parent is underage would not have to be drug tested. If a parent is denied benefits, the bill allows for payments to be made to an alternative payee."
So, it's your right to do drugs and not be accountable for that? Fine, go right ahead, on your own dime. If you want assistance, pee in the cup. Drug tests are not that expensive any longer. Government pisses away enough money on more foolish things than this.
You don't want to go through the red tape the government has then go get food at the local food bank.
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