Arnold Schwarzenegger Calls for Marijuana Legalization Debate

Considering that he vetoed a hemp bill in 2006, this is about as good a statement as I would expect from him:

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger says California should study other nations' experiences in legalizing and taxing marijuana, although he is not supporting the idea.

He says it's time to debate proposals such as a bill introduced in the state Legislature earlier this year that would treat marijuana like alcohol.

State Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, a San Francisco Democrat, says taxing marijuana at $50 per ounce would bring more than $1 billion a year to the state.

Schwarzenegger said during a Tuesday news conference that "it's time for debate" on the idea. [NBC]

I like what's happening with this "let's debate it" line we keep hearing lately. It's a way for public officials to show interest in the subject without alienating anyone who feels strongly about the issue. Perhaps it has come to the Governator's attention that 56% of Californians support legalizing marijuana.

Considering the famous Schwarzenegger-smoking-pot video that's all over the web, some will accuse him of hypocrisy should his position ultimately fall anywhere short of outright support for legalization. Still, it's notable in and of itself that we're beginning to see politicians shifting away from knee-jerk opposition to reform, in favor of the more open-minded position of endorsing a debate on the subject.
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$50/oz. tax

Legal Chronic should cost not a penny more than $50/oz. A $50 tax on top of that would do what? Create more growers. Most folks that consume Cannabis will grow their own. Mexican imports will undercut the tax. No tax and no I.D.

Mexican cannabis would only

Mexican cannabis would only undercut the tax if you actually *went* to Mexican. Any of it being legally brought to the States would be taxed *twice*.

Really, the whole "everyone who smokes will just grow" argument is crap. Yes, it is a surprisingly easy plant to grow, but I lot of people don't want to put in the effort. They don't want to wait four mouths (plus some drying and curing time) to smoke legal weed.

Does everyone brew beer? Now that's something that's really easy to do, takes less time than growing a plant. But no, they don't, because people are lazy! They want it now!

Now, also consider that given the fact that their are two subspecies of cannabis (Indica and Sativa) which cause *very* different types of highs if legalization is finally implemented a true connoisseur culture will form. Smokers will want the best. They will want to try *several* different variety. They won't have the resources to grow that much weed themselves.

Also, I expect that finalized taxation will be based on the pound, not the oz and will be much lower than what is currently being is considered (probably something a little higher than liquor taxation).

Thats what you think

Eventually putting marijuana in factories will remove the seed's and stem's, also it will probably come pre-rolled like cigarette's. Marijuana seed's are going to become a thing of the past if this happen's. So hold onto as many as you have if you want to grow your own.

not true

most consumers will not grow their own

Too true, Anon

Watch carefully, because the legalization will NOT allow home grown. This hasn't come up in the debate yet, but your point is dead on.

change we can believe in

who would have thought we'd see it from arnie before obama?

Marijuana Legalization??

It's not how much money would bring to the state. It doesn't matter if it brings $1 billion or $100 billion or more but what would you do with that much money when you can't control the people living in the state? Legalize Marijuana and you'll have the whole state in chaos.


Marijauana is essentially legal in California anyway, and has been (I have to admit I'm sure the laws are being flouted), and it hasn't fallen off into the ocean. Portugal decrminalized it along with ALL other drugs, and use has actually PLUMMETED.

Where is this supposed chaos to come from? People who really want to smoke already are, so not much will change, except the government will be able to PAY IT'S BILLS.

Drug warrior transference

It is your prohibition that literally subsidizes the promotion and creation of chaos and instability. And the government knows it.

The Congressional Research Service says so in their report: llicit Drugs and the Terrorist Threat: Causal Links and Implications for Domestic Drug Control Policy" April 5, 2004

"creating chaos and instability"

The international traffic in illicit drugs contributes to terrorist risk through at least five mechanisms: supplying cash, creating chaos and instability, supporting corruption, providing “cover” and sustaining common infrastructures for illicit activity, and competing for law enforcement and intelligence attention. Of these, cash and chaos are likely to be the two most important.

Insanely, the report then concludes:

American drug policy is not, and should not be, driven entirely, or even primarily, by the need to reduce the contribution of drug abuse to our vulnerability to terrorist action. There are too many other goals to be served by the drug abuse control effort.

I have asked politicians and they refuse to answer, exactly what is more important about the drug war than reducing "our vulnerability to terrorist action"?

"legalize marijuana and you'll have the whole state in chaos"

bullshit. You want to do something about people being out of control do something about the goddamn drunks who destroy so many innocent people's lives.

The same way we control alcohol and cigarettes now

The taxes will certainly pay for the infrastructure modifications necessary, and there will be PLENTY left over from the savings of DEA raids and the money we'll no longer be giving to 3rd world dicatators to get them to help on their end, to pay for REHAB, which is both less expensive, and more effective than prison!

We don't see Coors and Budweiser shooting it out in the streets (any more, not since Alcohol Prohibition was ended), nor do we see huge problems from moonshining (though people can and DO brew their own, they just can't SELL it). The real question, is WHY would we NOT legalize it? What fool is willing to ignore all of the harm done to our country by this BAD LAW, and insist on it's reinforcement?

Only someone intent on controlling other citizens, someone who DEPENDS on the failed 'War on Drugs' (like the DEA or ONDCP), or someone who hasn't bothered to look at the facts with an open and logical intent.

The FACTS show cannibis should be legal, it's changing the emotional vitriol and ignorance that will sway the battle.

thought about it a million times

is it controlled now ???? the war on cannabis kicked off by evil corporations is a complete and utter failure in every possible way.

ending prohibition on alcohol ( though I think alcohol is a much more damaging both physically and socially ) had a number of positive effects,
1. it took the main income stream away from the organised crime figures eg; al capone,
2. quality of alcohol became more consistent with improved health for the consumers.

there are still people making their own alcohol but it mostly has quality control over kits etc

Medical cannabis for hemp jobs will be the result of legalizing

Medical cannabis plants will be utilized to create all hemp jobs and products if legalized or simply lifting the ban. Really herbs and drugs should be neither illegal or legal. making herbs and drugs a legal problem is fraud and is only practiced by terrorists and protectionists for industrial espionage purposes. Simply a way for global corporations to sidestep The Constitution,Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence as they did with genocide and slavery in Amerika; a way to kill the competition and brainwash idiots into believing its alright. A confused and sick,fake national identity crisis.

How are you going to control it?

Ha! Sounds like the terrorist bullshit from the DARE program. Inflating those fossil drug and oil corporation stock profits with bullying. Business as usual i guess. Controlling things with double standards makes people out of control of themeselves . Controlling people with double standards makes things get out of control and makes people crazy. Fucking hilarious; how you going to control it raflmao! Making herbs illegal has put terrorists in charge of governments who themselves are clearly way out of control! So fuck you!

Whats next

Hmmmm let me think .. nearly a million american's not locked up for a non crime. a million familes not damaged or destroyed .. a million employee's not put on the felon list and making it harder to find a job, maybe more people choosing cannabis over alcohol lessening violent crimes domestic violence and chronic health problems associated with alcohol .. new environmentally friendly industry growth .. hemp for paper .. fabric .. plastic replacement .. more widespread use of cannabis as a preferred medication over highly addictive opiate derivatives ... yeah it sounds like it'll have a terrible effect on society
( that's sarcasm btw )

People coming home from war are helped by medical marijuana

Many injured war veterans are helped physically and mentally by vaporizing and eating or drinking organically grown medical cannabis combined with good nutrition and hydration. Its sad to see the govenator allowing all these raids on medical marijuana. Cannabis when administered properly cures cancer,internal and skin,and a long list of other ailments . Run From The Cure Rick Simpson story on youtube. you gotta check it out. Its sad that any of the scum who carry out genocides,slavery,prohibitions,wars and all that ever came to America; Hell its sad they ever came to planet earth. Oh and by the way plants and drugs were/are made illegal by implementation of fraud by manufactured consent to a few global corporate terrorists whims along with crooked power hungry fake police that take their bribes. People deserve better than being pawns in such a sick game.

Society will be allowed some healing re; whats next

When the people that make plants and drugs illegal illegally are sentenced to the prisons they built for the charges of terrorism and socioeconomic plunder. Thats whats next and that is something better to do. Charge them all ; the global fossil oil corporations,drug corporations,Oliver North, and all the other secret cartel from Wall streets violent scam. Your rediculous terrorist prohibition is run by cartel and terrorists. why dont you get your ass out of this posting room if you are against freeing all political prisoners and plants!

re: legalizing marijuana whats next?

A less violent world that is whats next. The drug corporations scam is coming to an abrupt end. Oxycontin is legal. Could you imagine the effects if the cartel and drug corporations were allowed to make Oxycontin illegal? How bout we just let them make cigarettes illegal? If you like having legalized violence and terrorism as price gouging vehicle and dictatorship builder then just make everything illegal. the result is death and pain for profit


it used to be legal. but so was owning black slaves. a lot of "laws" were made by scared white people about a hundred years ago & we the people do not need to be pushed around by stupid laws made by idiots. this is our world & our lives.

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