Why Do Police Really Oppose Marijuana Legalization?
Intuitively, there's nothing surprising about police lobbying to retain the gratuitous powers granted them by the war on drugs. Yet, as marijuana arrests reach a new record high each year, it becomes increasingly difficult to point towards any societal benefit to these costly attacks on otherwise law-abiding Americans. Because I believe most officers really do want to protect the communities they serve and make a difference, I have often pondered their willful enforcement of, and political support for, a war that endangers communities while failing to a make a difference.
I was pleasantly surprised, therefore, to learn that Joplin, MO Police Chief Lane Roberts has pledged not to oppose a local marijuana decriminalization initiative. Roberts correctly defines his role as defending the constitution rather than opining on what the law ought to be. But he goes on to explain that officers sometimes overreact to policy changes that reduce police authority:
When asked how his officers had reacted to the decriminalization of pot possession in Oregon and in Washington State where he previously headed up departments, Roberts reclined in his office chair and smiled.
"When that law was first passed, most police officers thought that the end of the world as we know it was about to occur," he said. "But, we thought the same thing when the Miranda decision came down." [Joplin Globe]
Miranda is such a wonderful analogy for law-enforcement's knee-jerk assumption that any restriction on police power will invite pure chaos. The U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Miranda v. Arizona that police must inform criminal suspects of their 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination before conducting interrogations provoked panic among police. Murderers and rapists would go free, we were told, and crimes of the most despicable nature would become unsolvable.
The result was nothing of the sort. Police simply became more professional. It turned out that the freakiest psycho killers still insisted on confessing their misdeeds, while the rest got taken down through good old-fashioned police work. "You have the right to remain silent…" has become a popular and familiar symbol of due process, and the horror show predicted by law enforcement has been long forgotten.
The point here is that it was the experts, the interrogation specialists themselves, who were so wrong about Miranda. Today, when police speak out against marijuana reform, they are motivated not by experience at all, but rather a fear of the unknown. Indeed, today's officers simply have no real frame of reference for what law-enforcement in a post-drug war America would look like.
I'm optimistic, however, that whatever our friends at LEAP can't explain to their colleagues will ultimately find a way to explain itself. Inevitably, the truth about drug policy reform will become self-evident each and every time it is given the opportunity to do so.
Update: I've posted a follow-up to emphasize the important point that a significant number of police officers actually do realize the drug war isn't working and continue to fight it anyway
Re: Why Do Police Really Oppose Marijuana Legalization?
Fear of the unknown is a powerful de-motivator of change. One has only to look at Countries where Rational Debate and Good Government has had a very positive impact on de-criminalizing Pot Usage and Possession to find a usable road-map to successfully implementing these far over-do changes to U.S. Criminal Code.
Prohibition has never worked and will ultimately fail here as well. However, it may take a lot more good people down with it before it's done.
The Miranda Analogy is spot on.
-Dave Dragon
Ride it like you stole it
It's about power
Whenever a governmental department is created, it becomes a living breathing entity who's primary function is it's own survival. Law enforcement is no exception.
The sad fact is that decriminalizing marijuana would result in dramatically decreasing the number of criminal arrests and prosecutions.
As a result, law enforcement, D.A. offices and corrections departments would all soon find their budgets and many of their jobs in jeopardy.
The only real reason that law enforcement spends so much of their time and effort lobbying against the decriminalization of anything is that they are in the "criminalization bussiness".
Any reformation of laws which would result in less "crime" is a threat to the survival of these entities and the livelihoods of it's members!
the reason why its not
the reason why its not legalize is cuz the gov cant get no money off of it thts the only reason why
Bill Hicks
"Saying marijuana is bad, or bad for you, is synonymous with saying that god made a mistake. Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law sound a little paranoid to you?" -Bill Hicks
"making nature against the law"
I'm all for the legalization of marijuana, but the argument that it should be legalized because "god made it" or "it's natural" doesn't hold much water. A list of other things on that same list i wouldn't want to put in my body or near by person:
lava
lightning
cyanide
blowfish poison
other poisons galore
ebola
herpes
radioactive materials
ill-tempered badgers
ill-tempered rabbits with pointy teeth
Seriously, though, let's legalize pot so the police can focus on protecting the peace.
RE: RE: "making nature against the law"
It actually does hold water. A plant that just grows shouldn't be made illegal. Sure, I don't want those things you listed above to be in my body, or near me. Poison Ivy grows and is legal, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go near the thing, let alone smoke it. It's natural and is a good defense mechanism for some animals. All plants have a purpose, to make one illegal is ridiculous.
well, now you mention it,
well, now you mention it, all those things you listed are much worse for you than marijuana, but none of them are illegal.
ebola, herpes, and
ebola, herpes, and radioactive materials are all caused by man not god.reguardless of if we were created by god, the things we create after are not made by god. of course if you want to free your mind and read around a little you'd see that that everything in this world has a physical explanation and nothing in this world even hints that god ever existed or even effects anything psychologically. im pretty sure hundreds of nuns were just on the news ravaging their town in the middle east... religion equals blind wars. and religion is a HUGE factor in our government and the drug war. nuclear power destroys the earth as well as mining oil. why would we not stop to think that maybe the earth needs the oil more than we do to burn it up in cars.
Ebola? Herpes?
Ebola, herpes, and radioactive materials are all caused by god. The living conditions and industrial abuses of modern man amplify diseases, pollution, radiation and other natural hazards, but ...
you can't say that the good things are "caused by god" and the bad things are "caused by man." Divinity encompasses all aspects of life and experience, the blights and wars as much as the harvests and moonwalks.
law against nature?
No, if that were the case cocaine and heroin shall also be decriminalized. Considering that they also derive from nature.
The dominator culture that
The dominator culture that is currently at the heart of America, simply does not want marijuana to become decriminalized. Examine the plant. Seriously, I will sound like a wack job to most of you but, it is the female plant that one cultivates for the bud, which contains a higher THC content than the male counter part. Now, female plant, mother earth. Ancient cultures that prayed and worshiped the goddess. Mind expansion? It is said that the creative side of the mind is female. In the 60's hippie guys grew out their hair. Marijuana use is thousands of years old, it has more names in more languages than anything else termed by modern humans. It will only drop your IQ roughly 4 points, and only temporarily at that. Now why is it that it is illegal and illicit while alchohol is completely acceptable by the dominator/elitist society? The answer is mindless slavery where we don't question existence or anything else that is actually relevant. History as we know it is a lie, it is decided by those who win the wars. Synthetic drugs like: refined sugar, television, distilled alchohol and caffeine do more to enslave us than marijuana ever did, could, and would. I bet Jesus smoked weed, as he was a hippy.
As Deep Throat said...
"Follow the money". Many experienced cops quietly recognize they have better things to do, it is unfair to brand them all as authoritarian oriented. Like in any other organization, there are doers and there are political climbers. Law Enforcement as an institution has become addicted to forfeiture money and the toys it buys. A larger force produces larger busts (still drops in the bucket), and allows grandstanding by the upwardly mobile segment of the profession.
This is a subject very worthy of exposition, but this blog entry misses the point and trumpets a wrongheaded us vs. them attitude. The problem is the politics of freedom, not the thin blue line.
I think I know why
It is as simple as getting rid of the people who are willing to be disobedient, to make society easier to manipulate. To take drugs now, means to break the law. These individuals are therefore more likely to break other laws too, it is assumed. The illegality of drugs is a way of weeding these people out, and putting them in jail. What a docile bunch we are indeed, afraid to MAKE them legalize pot instead of asking.
End of the World?
Police officers who think society will collapse once marijuana is decriminalized are probably not the same police officers who served in Viet Nam, where ‘shot-gunning’ took on a whole new meaning with respect to smoking pot.
Many cops who were Viet Nam vets have reached retirement age by now, only to be replaced by Gen-X’ers who are unduly influenced by the Reagan Devolution. It’s sad, really. Yves Montaigne was right-on when he wrote that “Nothing is so firmly believed as that which is least known.”
Health conscious Gen-X’ers and others, be they police officers or anyone else, should be made aware that they risk serious health problems if they don’t smoke pot.
As someone who takes ‘Vitamin M,’ I have little fear that some genetic surprise will be waiting for me in my old age in the form of progressive diabetes, dystonia, fibromylagia, rheumatoid arthritis, gliomas, GI disorders, hypertension, multiple sclerosis, or Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s or Lou Gehrig’s disease. I know that any lung cancer cells I develop over time will be suppressed by the chemicals in cannabis (police officers in smog-drenched LA, take note).
As for the critics who warn against ingesting marijuana smoke as being harmful to the lungs, I say that had our ancestors been that sensitive to campfire smoke, we’d all be fossil remnants at the moment.
Then there are those who warn that if pot is legalized, we will be living in a ‘stoned society.’ Stoned society? Hmmm…less road rage, fewer wife beatings, fewer homicides. Yeah! I could live in a stoned society. No problem.
Giordano
Ha.
Cheers, Giordano.
Keep it coming.
P.S. I dispute the notion that everyone will get stoned if we end the war on marijuana. But if that did happen, I agree it probably wouldn't be as bad as some might think.
Anyone who thinks 100,000+ stoned people will eat each other alive should visit the Seattle Hempfest. Everyone gets stoned. Nothing bad happens. They accomplish this by searching people for alcohol instead of marijuana. Brilliant.
It's their pride that's the matter
it must also be tough to admit you've been enforcing a lie all these years.
One day, you're putting teenagers in handcuffs, and the next you say "hey, we were wrong. Sorry."
The officers aren't wrong to
The officers aren't wrong to enforce laws put in place by your legislators. There are many laws which are silly in some respects, but they have a duty to enforce them. Most cops wouldn't care about pot heads if legalization happened, if anything it would reduce their workload. It isn't a "lie," they can make anything they want illegal, it is up to you to vote in the people who will make the changes you want. In fact, you should have bigger issues with officers who won't enforce any part of the law, as it means they may be doing other illegal things as well. Don't blame the cops, blame your law makers. It is up to the people to decide who is in office, cops fill a different role altogether.
"The officers aren't wrong to?"
Nobody is saying that police officers are wrong to enforce the laws.
The question is: why do law enforcement agencies fight reformation?
I live in San Bernardino, Calif. and the police department here has done everything the could to fight the state over medical marijuana reform.
Police associations spend millions of dollars lobbying to keep the status quo.
More and more of this country's correctional facilities are being contracted to corporations all of whom have lobbyists pushing for harsher penalties and minimum sentencing laws aimed at keeping there cells filled with human livestock.
WAKE UP AMERICA!
Fearfull vs fearless
Best chance for commonsense to prevail is LEAP. Those fearless converted law officials who can convince the fearfull to make the leap of rational thought. " Truth is above harmony. Those who fear disorder more than injustice, invariably produce more of both".
where's my comment
does this blogger censor his posts in favor marijuana support only?
No.
I censor for clarity and relevance only. If your comment didn't appear, try again.
We welcome criticism, which keeps the conversation going.
Re: where's my comment
No, most people that are on this blog know that marijuana is not a hazardous material because they have all studied the effects on marijuana. The effects on health, society, behaviour, miniumizing police work, and much more would be helped not hindered if marijuana was legalized.
Some people that do not believe in the legalization of marijuana should become sick with an illness and see the postive affects that marijuana has on the pain and sickness that the disease may cause. Then you have the right to say that marijuana is a harmful bad thing.
Like in the other articles God creates everything for a reason some which are totally unexplainable, but if you look at the previous articles marijuana is something that can be explained. It is beneficial for many reasons.
Sep 26, 7:36 AM
Sep 26, 7:36 AM (ET)
PITTSBURG, Calif. (AP) - Three men have been charged with murdering a senior editor for PC World magazine in what police said was an attempt to steal marijuana that the victim's son grew in their home for medical use.
That is not evidence
If a guy robs a bank and kills a teller, should money be made illegal?
I hope not.
The value of something is what motivates most crime, be it monetary, emotional, or survival.
The illegality (or difficulty in acquiring, to generalize) of a desired commodity greatly increases its value. Legalization would increase sources and competition for the market, driving the value down.
Try a different argument.
in reality it is the
in reality it is the prohibition of marijuana that resulted in this guys death. if weed was legal it would not have qas much value therefor people would not commit crimes to obtain it.
its not really that hard to understand did we learn nothing during prohibition of alchohol??if we never prohibited booze the mob would have not have risen to such power.
If marijuana is illegal shouldn't alcohol be also?
If marijuana is so bad and dangerous then why is alcohol legal? There are at least hundreds of alcohol overdose deaths every year and who knows how many other alcohol related deaths. No one has ever died from a marijuana overdose. Never.
lol
you answer yourself, if marijuana was legal there would be marijuana overdose deaths every year and who knows how many other marijuana related deaths. No one has ever died from a cigarette overdose. Never.
legalize marijuana and pay off our national debt
People come on nobody has ever over dosed on marijuana, get real I am 99.9% sure nobody has ever overdosed on marijuana. It may put you to sleep, but it will not kill you.
Marijuana Overdose
A "Marijuana Overdose" is just a munchie pig-out is it not? :-)
Dave
Fear.
It's simply fear of the unknown.
And of course it's a great way for cops to justify budgets and busts.
It's look like the readers here may enjoy my blog as well, david-sullivan.blogspot.com.
the real reason
fear of losing their jobs because less police are needed. keep arresting people, keep the jail full, we need lots of police. only put violent people in jail, we don't need much police, no more police jobs and prison jobs. same reason my school internet never works, cause the IT thinks they need their jobs.
Cops and booze
I find it interesting that many police officers are so hostile towards a comparatively benign drug -- marijuana -- when so many of them are addicted to a far more dangerous drug -- alcohol.
In the US, studies suggest that alcoholism among police is about double that of the average population; see for example:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_1_68/ai_54036506
So... I dunno. Do police come down hard on drugs because they're well aware that a significant number of their fellow officers are drug addicts themselves? Because that's what alcoholism is, a drug addiction. An especially nasty one. As we all know well, alcohol kills thousands and thousands of people in the US each year, through traffic accidents, booze-enraged murders, liver failure, etc etc... can't say any of that about marijuana.
No easy answers here.
Hehe
hehe yea same shit with marijuana if you legalize it you would lose alot more people because its not a ride anymore you dont have to hide it. therefore alcohol causes alot more deaths because its widely available.
Some more reasons.........
One is job security plain and simple.......
Another is......if you were a cop would you rather bust some pot smoker.....or......someone that is actually harmful to society and possibly to you the cop trying to make the arrest? "I'm gonna hide out over here with my pot bust excuse........"
Another is the control factor.......oh.....to be in control of another human being.......now that's an addictive drug!!!!! To lose some control.....oh my.....what a downer!!!!
You watch.......when the bible is outlawed (and it will be) most cops today will actually enforce that law too!!!!!!
hehe
same reason everytime guys your just repeating the reasons just using different words you guys will end up dead thanks to marijuana thank god yea the bible is mostly church lies but it won't be illegalized if that happens all the pot heads would have died, thats why the bible is legal pothead popes and archbishop keep it alive. you guys are all amatuers and noobs no wonder legalization of marijuana is going nowhere and it wont be.
It is funny...
On one hand, it is funny that police and drug dealers have the same motivations... keeping marijuna illegal/rare/expensive...
On the other hand, why do you think Afghan crops are blooming under NATO's invasion...?
As the war on terror is used to terrorize and control civilian populations, the war on drug is used to keep the drug market high.
As to the 'dominator culture' remark
There's more truth to it than many might think. The late Robert Anton Wilson wrote extensively about the Apollonian (represented by DrugWarriors)/Dionysian (represented by those favoring cognitive liberty such as Cannabists) cultural rift, and how this is illustrated in the DrugWar. The attitude of the former can best be illustrated by a quote from the first DEA Administrator, Robert Ingersoll: "Not only are we here to protect the public from vicious criminals in the street but also to protect the public from harmful ideas." (Emphasis mine - k.)
Too often our supposed 'public servants' take upon the (unwarranted!) mantle of public masters, arrogantly thinking themselves to be wiser than their fellow citizens by dint of being invested with public office, and attempt to act accordingly with their own beliefs at the expense of democratic ideals, themselves. To such people, things such as referenda to change the drug laws are the fomenting of 'The Great Unwashed', the 'rabble', etc. and to 'save' good governance, must be suppressed in the name of 'all that's Holy'. (Of course, they believe that they are uniquely qualified to know what that is because they are on the side of the angels.) And, of course, the religious biases against issues of cognitive (and therefore, personal) liberty by many who wear a police uniform or operate from a government office must also be taken into account. When they are, the Apollonian/Dionysian dichotomy snaps into very sharp clarity...particularly when you are on the receiving end of a Apollonian's nightstick... - nemo
Interesting point re: bank robbery
OK good point re: money/bank robbery.
I still don't feel comfortable with people driving around in thousands of pounds of steel while stoned. Seems irresponsible to me. Our government can't handle the problem now (regular bad drivers let alone drunks) so it would only get worse with stoned people behind the wheel.
stoned people behind the wheel
according to several people i [regretably] know, driving high is easier than driving drunk, and i have heard nobody say the opposite. But why trust a bunch of people who have driven drunk, when obviously their judgement isnt always what we wish it was?
There are remarkably fewer cannabinoid receptors in the basal ganglia than in other parts of the brain (1). Therefore coordination isnt affected nearly as much as other brain function, so while you could still be fairly trashed, your coordination is a little better than it would be with alcohol. While I agree that the less drivers there are who are trashed, the better, I must point one thing out. Any increase in high drivers would probably effect a decrease in drunk drivers; only so many people get wasted on any given night. Which drug they choose may change, but it will most likely be only one drug nonetheless. And i am more comfortable having high drivers than having drunk drivers, especially because weeds effects dont last as long as alcohol (2,3, as well as from personal experience)
sources :
1:http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_research1.shtml
2:http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/alcohol/alcohol_effects.shtml
3:http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml
stoned people behind the wheel 2
its me again i just caught that i put the wrong url for source 1. couldnt dig up the real one but that is a good one too, and has the same basic message.
Driving while stoned... Not as bad as some claim
I still don't feel comfortable with America's Air force pilots flying around on Amphetamines in multi-million dollar planes, launching missiles at women, children, afghan cops, Canadian troops and others. Then reading some reports falsely claiming that they were Taliban or Al Quieda militants.
Some people understandably don't feel comfortable with people driving around in thousands of pounds of steel while stoned. I and many fellow stoners have been driving motorcycles, cars and trucks for over 35 years logging over a million miles stoned much of the time with no significant problems. Many of my friends and I actually raced motocross, went flat tracking and did hare scrambles after getting high. We are all here and doing well despite the exaggerated claims by ONDCP, HHS, SAMSA, NIDA, DEA and those silly Drug Czars.
Much of reason we did drive stoned is a direct result of prohibition! We can't sit close by and get stoned in public or near prohibitionists. So we load up in the car and would go cruising in the back country, mountains or away from town getting stoned on the road. None of the groups I was with ever had an accident in over 35 years of getting high. Perhaps we were just lucky or better drivers, But I don't think so.
Many times you have to drive to someplace else to test out the smoke your to buy since it's of unregulated and of unknown quality and origin. If your'e think you are too impaired to drive you can just wait awhile till your not. I've seen more trouble with cell phone users, people that are over tired than drugs, other than alcohol or Quaalude's over the years.
There are numerous studies showing that small amount of Cannabis is no where near as problematic as alcohol. In certain quantities test data shows it can actually enhance your driving skills over non-cannabis users. :-)
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3961
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5110
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5920
http://norml.org/pdf_files/NORML_Driving_and_Marijuana.pdf
So I don't think it will get worse with more stoned drivers on the road, reading the reports and from actual experience maybe it could actually get better. Less road rage, recognition of impairment and appropriate corrective action for example.
Pre vs post drug war
ITS THE SAME!!!! Everyone who wants to use weed is doing so now just as they would if the drug war ended. Its silly to even argue over the most potent points of marijuana legalization because nothing will change. Sure, we will have access to safer and cleaner pot, and we know it will be taxed to hell, which is good for society when that money goes towards education, etc. But the number of car acidents increasing, the number of anything dangerous increasing is pure BS!!! 1/3 of the population uses marijuana at least once per year, are you nay-sayers trying to tell me that if its legalized the other 2/3rds are gonna come around.... doubt it. Does the government, or better yet, the 2/3rds of the population who dont use marijuana, think that I and all the other users didnt try pot at an earlier age because we were afraid of breaking the law? The answer is no. The law holds no bearing on anyone's decisions. I waited until I was 17 to try pot not cause of the law but simply because I wasn't so sure of its safety record. When I was sure, I tried it. Its called responsablility! Those who lack it shouldn't drive, talk, or even breathe because they are a far greater danger than a responsible marijuana user, but they are allowed to do all of those things. And its great that they are allowed to do all of those things... its called FREEDOM. And all of those of you who posted about how the government wants control are correct! That is the only reason why it is illegal. As I have found out the "real" dangers of pot, so will many others. Its about time that the 33.3% of the population that uses at least once a year stands up to this BS! Let me know how I can help teach these morons in government what the simple and TRUE meaning of FREEDOM really is... did we not start this country because we wanted freedom from tyranny?!? And now this country is the most tyrannical country in the world!!!
A stoned nation?
Sounds like a good idea to me. Instead of bar fights, people would just say, "Thats totally uncool maaaan..". As I've said in another post, the most dangerous part of marijuana usage isnt the usage but the procurement. A typical night to get some weed might go like this: You wait for an individual to show up at a local tavern. This individual is known by pretty much everyone including the police to specialize in obtaining substances. You talk with the guy for a few minutes, give him some cash and off he goes. He comes back a short time later, you go into the bathroom together and emerge a minute later. Any one of those spots could lead to someone in law enforcement stopping and questioning either of you, not to mention the fact that maybe your friend may just want some money and when he returns it is not with your product but a gun and demands all the cash on you. Honestly the deal is the worst part of drug use by far. You go home and roll a fatty to help unwind from the stress of it all, even if its a clean well executed thing. Not to mention the drive home, maybe you get pulled over because you left from a bar...
Now heres a nice scenario. You go down to a certain store walk inside, select something and buy it with your credit card. Walk outside, get into your car and drive away. No police trouble and best of all you earn points on your card for your habit!
To say that people will all start using is ridiculous. I just moved away from the Peoples Republic of California, and smoking the legal substance that people do: cigarettes, is a huge taboo. The already inherent taboo of cigarette usage will make people taking up pot see it as the same and not want to be part of "that" crowd. Moreover, people will still call you stinky and ashtray and cough in your presence whether you smoked a cigarette or a joint. In fact my view is that if poeple kept the same level of taboo on marijuana as they do now which is more than on cigarrettes, marijuana use may actually DECREASE. Besides the general smoking hatred in this country, the pot thrown on top of it as being more taboo because it was illegal until just recently will make it not a good choice for an activity. Sure there will be an initial spike as people try out their new freedom, but in the long run and not a very long one at that, it will settle out and people will actually realize its not as much fun as it was when it was illegal and either stop or only smoke once a week or something. Not to mention the "war" on drugs will go from all out firefight to a minor skirmish here and there. Homicide closure rates will go up and we can finally use the police to stop the kids from spray painting on the wall and lighting trash cans on fire, since they will be able to respond because they arent busting you for buying your 1/4 ounce.
Oh and another thing, I dont see stoners suing the growers because they developed lung cancer. A pack of Camel Chronics will probably cost quite a bit less than a pack of Camel Lights...
a poem i wrote
this is a poem i wrote spread it we need to encourage people to stand up they dont realize they are the ones under control
Marijuana
By: Coty Abbott
Marijuana is not its only name
All in all it's still just the same
Smoke and get high
Let your mind fly
But the man doesn't want you to know
That weed is good and should grow
Millions of people eating the lies
That one who smokes pot dies
Not listening to the facts
Just trying to pass more acts
Too brainwashed by the leaders
Think all the stoners are just bottom feeders
Smoke and rejoice your right to freedom
Grab some seeds and breed 'em
Because today we stand up to our master
Fearing that a world stoned would die faster
Take these words to the heart
Maybe then legalization would start
We must unite as one voice
Lets not give them a choice
All people across the land
Will begin to understand
That this war on drugs does no good
Stoners shouldn't be in jail, criminals should
Spread the word that marijuana is a blessing
Dont give up just keep on pressing
That is all i feel i need to say
Light up and make it a good day
my hero
that poem was absolutely amazing. you are my hero.
thank you
absolutely amazing
did i mention i liked the poem
im so bakeded, and i think that poem gave me a better high
so heres to you Coty Abbott
wait wtf i havent even smoked today
Dude i Totally Agree
I FRIGGIN LOVE CRACK
itisogoodforthehart
dumb
i hate crackheads
but i love crack
this forum is gay
instead of sitting here bitching about how much you want marijuana legalized and how the government is wrong for not legalizing it, why dont you get your fat stoner asses up and do something about it.
AND PICK ME UP AN OZ WHILE YOUR AT IT.
thx
-Mark Marijuana
you retards
thisss shitt is bad for you don't dooo itt neverr neverrr neverrrr andd all you ppl saying pick my up an oz while your at it you guys are FUKED IN THE HEADD YOU NEED TO GET IT FIXED RIGHT AWAY
I am a medical user and
I am a medical user and totally agree with very intelligent "A Stoned Nation?"
I use pot to not puke. I use meditation and biofeedback to calm down with. don't confuse the two.
oh, and I am republican and dispise Bush for the monster he is. no, I didn't vote for him, either.
Dr Ron Paul for President.
Gonga Green
I like the comments about driving. I deliver pizzas when im not at school, and that has really helped me notice my driving habits when im high or not. When i smoke some weed on deliveries i go the speed limit, use my signals, watch for other vehicles on the road, and act more sociably to customer when i drop off the pizza even if its 10 min late. When im not high im lookin at the recipt counting down the minutes till im late, flying down a curved road at least 30 mph over the speed limit. When im high my saftey actually becomes important to me and i drive like were susposed to. So i guess another reason cops dont want us to smoke weed is because they will actually have to go the speed limit. Theyll be stuck in traffic going the speed limit with a bunch of drivers driving correctly. City cops really dont care about weed either, i mean unless you got a zip or somethin more, but they got better shit to do. When they busted me they just dumped my sack on the road and broke my pipe and told me to leave. Its the small town cops who on a good day may catch a few speeders, so when they catch a kid with weed, they just nut in there pants. If weed becomes legal small town cops wont have anything to get off to anymore
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