Pain Medicine: Advocacy Group to Challenge Controlled Substances Act In Lawsuit Aimed at Protecting Physicians, Patients

Haysville, Kansas, physician Dr. Stephen Schneider and his nurse wife, Linda Schneider, were arrested on a 34-count federal indictment last month for allegedly improperly prescribing opioid pain medications and causing the deaths of at least four patients. The Schneiders are only the latest pain management health care providers to fall victim to the federal government's war against prescription drug abuse and diversion, and now a leading pain relief advocacy group is vowing to take the government to court to block further harassment of physicians and the pain-ridden patients who rely on them.

Last Friday, the Pain Relief Network announced it will seek a civil injunction barring the Justice Department from prosecuting the Schneiders. But the lawsuit could have much broader implications than the couple's freedom. It will argue that the way the federal Controlled Substances Act is applied to doctors and patients is unconstitutional.

"I want a judge to take a look at this and see if the United States has authority to prosecute," Pain Relief Network head Siobhan Reynolds said during a press briefing last Friday. Reynolds cited a ruling in a similar case that such prosecutions give the government unrestrained power to interfere in the doctor-patient relationship.

The real victims of the government's crackdown on the Schneiders and other health care professionals prescribing opioid pain medications are patients, said Reynolds. "These patients are in real harm's way," Reynolds said. "They are being attacked by the Department of Justice."

While some of Dr. Schneider's former patients have filed malpractice lawsuits claiming they became addicted because of his prescribing, other patients said he had been a godsend and that they are suffering now without him.

One was Jamie McGuire, 49, who had been receiving pain meds for severe arthritis in his spine, hips, and shoulders resulting from an auto accident. Since Schneider was jailed, he has been unable to even get a referral to another doctor. "I think they railroaded him," he said of the prosecution. McGuire told reporters he is almost out of pain medication and his situation is dire. "If they don't do something, I will take myself out," McGuire said.

Another patient, Martin Beatty, 46, also showed up to support his doctor. He said he opted for a regime of pain meds rather than surgery or steroids after falling from a roof 12 years ago and had been a patient of Schneider's for three years. He admitted being dependent on his pain meds, but said that shouldn't matter. "Addiction doesn't mean I am going to be a bad person," Beatty said. Now he worries about going through withdrawal without being under a physician's care.

This week, patients and advocates continued to fight for Dr. Schneider, who, along with his wife, remains jailed. They gathered at his offices to show support and sign petitions, one to join the federal lawsuit, the other to keep the Kansas Board of Healing Arts from moving to suspend his license. According to Reynolds, the clinic will be forced to close because the physician assistants now writing prescriptions are doing so under the auspices of working for a clinic owned by a licensed physician. Other doctors who once practiced at the clinic have been run off by fears of federal prosecution, she said.

"Right now we are calling on the medical board to refrain from joining in this attack on this clinic. This clinic has been hobbled by the Justice Department. These patients are living in mortal fear," Reynolds said.

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Hey Uncle Sam, leave my dr alone

I can see the distress the patients are going thru. I suffer extreme pain and prefer using marijuanna instead of using the vicodin. I have arthritis in hips, back knees, neck, wrist, hands and feet. With the use of marijuanna, I can get up and atleast attempt to accomplish something. And my attitude is better. I worry every day that the feds will arrest my 215 dr. Now at least I am safe from the local cops.

Challenging the Controlled Substances Act

"some of Dr. Schneider's former patients have filed malpractice lawsuits claiming they became addicted because of his prescribing, other patients said he had been a godsend and that they are suffering now without him."

These so-called former patients who claim to have become addicted and are filing malpractice lawsuits are nothing but SCAM ARTISTS!!

Physical dependence on opioid's is a minor side effect that is easily overcome by gradually decreasing the dosage once the patient has recovered and the pain level has abated. Example: if a patient were taking 60 milligrams of oxycodone per day following surgery, and is now recovering, but has developed a physical dependence on the medicine, they can decrease the dosage to 30 milligrams for several days. Then 15 milligrams for a few days. Then 5 milligrams. Now that the patient is taking one percoset a day it's easily managed. Now go 48 hours. Then go seven days. They now have no physical dependence on the medicine.

I support the "Pain Relief Network" and believe they should win their legal battle.

Good luck to PRN, and thank you DRCnet.


You made a good analysis. The other thing might be that most want to punish the doctor for their inability to control their use of their own pain medicine. (the doctor can't go home with every patient, can he?) They think they deserve to get rich (like the doctor) because of it. Most are likely dishonest with their doctor, in the first place! They just see $$$$$! Greed is likely the biggest factor!

From the most part, opiods are the safest drugs for treating pain, both acute and chronic! 16-20,000 people die, each year, from the bleeding compllications alone, of NSAIDS! That has nothing to say about the heart attacks they say the same drugs like it, ( Vioox and others) have caused!

Addiction & Other Remedies' Issues

I too have found doctors much more willing to give me a Vicodin, than just the hydrocodone itself. A standard dosage of Vicodin is 5/500, that is 5mgs of the pain killer and 500 of Tylenol. Now in one day the average and usual minimal dose is every 4 to 6 hours to take one. This means up to 6 a day.
6x500 = 3,000 mgs of Tylenol. In a week, 21,000, a month 44,000 mgs of Tylenol which will destroy liver, kidney, etc. but instead of giving the main ingredient as with OcyContin or Hydromorphone, etc., they prefer to add all the other crap that does the REAL damage. Methadone, run, if you tell someone you take that you are a drug abuser, heroin, junky, etc., when it was first used in WWII when morphine was scarce. It is an opiod-atagonist which means it doesn't allow the drugs that get you stoned through, so it's not bout that for patients, it is everything to do with pain abatement and a doctor, hospital, etc., must deal with this even though they will push you away time and again. Just the other day when getting an angiogram, they gave me next to nothing and I was awake for the whole thing. No scripts for pain for the 5 days I've suffered with groin, leg and chest pain they said would be there. Nothing at all. This is not an example of convservative use of narcotics, this is lack of using them completely and the opposite is always true so therefore DOING HARM by not abating my pain, the doctor was wrong and those who pressure him to not use on patients are wrong and deserve my pain or to pay, and the DEA can kiss my butt for what they've done to damn good docs over the years who did nothing but try to help their patients but since the letter wasn't followed every time, suspensions and licenses pulled left and right. They are the new Gestapo and physician and patients are the Jews. It is disgusting what they've reduced us to. They feel pain is just contextual and psychological more than real sensory pain. Just ask any new doctor, they will tell you they would give you an SSRI before a pain med any day to control your pains. No matter the horros SSRI's can do and have done to people.
Just as with benzo's (xanax, valium, etc.) they will not give them. They hate to associate with them at all. Even though clinical studies show they are all wrong, they just plug their eyes and say LA LA LA.
From now on, you people that sue need to remember pain is like rape and every false report makes it harder on those of us in real pain. So stop being so damn greedy. Yes, mistakes are made but it's not the gun's fault or the pill's fault, it is who wields it, sometimes doctor and sometimes patient's who don't follow regimen correctly.

It is all very sad. DEA GO AWAY.

What next?

It seems the crusaders looking to make names for themselves are willing to lay many lives on the chopping block for their glory in this witch-hunt society, propagated by the federal government bent on liberating us from our liberties. If you good poeple out there don't vote for Ron Paul, this will only be the beginning of a totalitiarian rule depriving us of our blood earned liberties and rights! This is not a joke! This is our last chance to honor the blood of our forefathers....or to spit on it with our fears and ignorance! TRUTH!

D.L. Matkins Sr.

Addictive cocaine good, non addictive marijuana bad.

Why can't people be allowed to take whatever pain killer they want as long as nobody else gets hurt?

Nobody's Business

Libertarian here. I can snort asbestos, clean with bleach and ammonia for years, smoke cigs asvertised since i was a kid, throw back any pill the doc gives me but if I know something works without many or any side effects and have this medically backed, why the fuss?
I take a minimal dose of opiates. I have over the past 8 years suffered from chronic pain, heart attacks, angina, back pain, you name it. Now even though I was eating Vicodin by the handful, just call me HOUSE, up to 15 a day minimum.

But when I lower it to 10 mgs a day and am getting without paying from a friend and also tell each and every doctor involved in my care i take it, their heads don't want it and want me fired every time.

I have been asked time and again if I am gay, have AIDS, been arrested, been in prison, are you sure you don't do Heroin or Cocaine, do you have Hepatitis, meanwhile my chart says, previous heart attacks, stent in place, angina chronic, and everything else it say, they just cannot get their eyes of that 10mgs left over after 8 years.

I saw first, cure me, then we will take care of any addiction issues because it has no bearing on my heart issues. in fact, the specific drug i take has been shown clinically to remove calcification in the heart, one thing that is a huge positive for someone like me. but they still hate it.

now i've been told i would be fired if i didn't stop it in 4 months. reason? i saw their pscyhiatrist who was nothing but a psychopharmacologist, not talk therapy. In fact, i mentioned i had been molested as a child by three different girls and women and she interuppted me and said, "lets get back to the drugs".
She then ordered that I not return to see her. She didn't want me as a patient but THEN, which I think it ethically unsound and I just may legally slap her for it. She demands a urine and all my psych reports pulled from 20 years ago where i left them never to deal with again. I was 16 to 21. Who in the hell doesn't have issues, some more than others. After 21 I was done with that madness and moved on becoming a success.

She cared nothing for this. She wanted the records and my urine. She didn't believe I wasn't an IV and Coke user, etc., and wrote a brutal report that every doctor now has to listen to because she screamed it basically. Now after Ive been in the clinic for 2 years getting better, they are all backing off, not wanting to treat me and pulling back meds they use to give me regularly.

I am sick of it and I want the ability to walk into an Admin's office, lay down my evidence and witness statements and say, your hospital has screwed me for 4 years. Time to pay.

Good luck to all and keep the DEA where they belong, in the alphabet.


Will it ever stop?

Maybe this lawsuit will help. It can't make things worse. This is a witch hunt and a usurping of the doctor-patient relationship. I don't know how much schooling a DEA agent has to have but I know they aren't qualified to take this doctor's garbage out. I can't believe the doctor and his wife are still in jail. Have we gotten to the point where a doctor can't get a recognizance bond? These agents are thugs.

Good in Theory

The post above that suggests tapering as a way for pain patients to avoid acute withdrawal is technically accurate, but in my experience (as someone who has had multiple surgeries for chronic back pain caused by disk herniation), no doctor has ever offered that option. I was always afraid to ask because I thought such accurate knowledge would identify me as a "drug seeker".

However, if (god forbid) I have a re-occurrence of back problems, or another injury that justifies opioid pain relief, I will insist that the doctor agree to prescribe a tapering regime or I won't accept the initial script.

I guess we'll have to wait and see how that plays out.

BTW, I agree with the contention that those suing the doctor are greedy opportunists. But there are plenty of other people who do suffer through withdrawal after becoming dependent who do not take legal action.

What will happen to patients?

The real risk here is that all of this doctor's patients will now be forced to find another physician to help them. Good luck with that!!! Most doctors now seem to think that everyone is an addict, or a potential addict. Which is the lesser of the two evils? I choose to take my medication (after three shoulder surgeries that left me disabled) rather than not be able to function at all. If someone has a chronic condition who should care if they are dependant on narcotic medication? I would much rather be "dependant" than to be in excruciating pain all the time. Good luck to this doctor and his wife. We need more docs such as him in the world.

health care in America

If you don't think your doctor has been intimidated by the DEA, think again. Your doctor's prescriptions should be made on the basis of your health and comfort. But they're not. Even more important, at least for the doctor, is whether the prescriptions conform to a pattern that the DEA finds interesting. No doctor wants to write a prescription that the DEA will find interesting, even if it's the best thing for the patient. It's no fun to be in jail.
Typically, doctors don't like being in jail. When a doctor weighs the benefit of your pain relief against the cost of his becoming an object of interest to the DEA, you can expect that your pain will have less weight, and that you will suffer unnecessary pain.

Health care in America: it's about many things, and your health and comfort *may* be one of them. Mostly, though, it's about money and power. It's appalling what America has become. It's time to change course.


Bupronorphin (I'm not sure if that's the correct spelling?) has been found to be very effective in helping people get off opioids. There's a big difference between addiction and dependance. A diabetic, for example, cannot become addicted to insulin.

OPIATES: Dependence v Addiction

I have been on methadone maintenence for close to ten years. All clients must do annual "educational updates" (a Department of Public Health requirement in my state) that consists of :HIV/HepC 101, an overview of the clinic's rules and regs, and "Addiction Education". The nurse, explaining the difference between "addiction" and "dependence" said:"Depencence means that you are physically reliant on a substance (ie:drug) that you need to treat a chronic medical condition. "Addiction" is the physical reliance on a substance that, without which, you can't function; the pursuit of which becomes overwhelming". Now mind you, this woman was a moron. The point she was making was: "Dependence" is medically sanctioned "Addiction", and "Addiction" is "Dependence" we haven't sanctioned. I would guess that close to 50% of the people on my clinic were first introduced to opiates by doctors for
legitimate" (and often severe) pain.Unfortunately thanks to anti-drug hysteria doctors are running scared, on the look-out for "drug-seeking behavior" . Yes, I need relief; I'm seeking relief; drugs will relieve me, therefore, I AM seeking drugs! Christ, what a tragedy. Of course, many people are forced to do what they have to do. What about the elderly cancer patient who doesn't have the black market option that many resort to? But then, why should any of us have to resort to it at all?

Addiction v. Dependence

The comment posted on 11:02 12 January defines "addiction" (vs "dependence") the best I've seen: Dependence is sanctioned dependence -- like insulin -- and addiction is unsanctioned dependence. It is a legal construct, not a medical one. We ask, "Is the patient dependent on the drug or is he/she dependent on the pain relief the drug brings?" There is no way to know outside of a long-term clinical setting. I suspect that many pain patients themselves don't know. But we let the police decide. Even if all prosecutors also had a medical degrees, they'd have a conflict of interest because their job is to get convictions. Besides that, addiction is not a crime, except for the poor, the black and the brown. The DEA has exceeded its statutory authority in the way it has interpreted the Controlled Substances Act. Give pain treatment back to the docs. But, remember, just as an ob-gyn cannot guarantee all babies will be normal, a pain doc cannot guarantee all patients will have a normal life span.


Tell me about it!!!

I've done my fair share of damage to my neck, shoulders and back; bike accidents, car accidents (in one, I was thrown out of the passenger side window and slid on my back for quite a ways). Thankfully, I have found a doctor who prescribes medicines that help, but at the same time he thinks I am there because "he has a reputation" and I just want to get good pills. Without these medications, I am not able to get out of bed some mornings. When the pain gets very bad even vicoden and ultram don't help. I would love to sign a petition, is there an online one?

pain meds

Hey I know what u mean/ My problem is I had a great doc who has since retired. I am in alot of pain from arthritis and car accident. I cant find a doc that is willing to help me as I was before. anyway did u find that online petition because I would love to find one to sign.

The Persecution of Chronic Pain Patients

I thouhgt the FDA wrote the PDR
Not the DEA with their little star
DOJ is a house of ill repute
Not us doctors with much astute
SHAME on judges Gaschler and Bostwick
They made a decision that was way to quck
Haysville,Kansas Doctor Schneider is a good man
He is a credit to Hippocrates plan !

J. Casey MD, Philosophie Doctor


If patients get addicted that is their fault, if they really do not need the narcotic.. Many of us are being injured and disabled by a product not FDA approved for back and sciatica pain the FDA knows this drug is disabling patients and so does the drug company and they let it go on, because of GREED, and the DRS should know if they read the phamplet or leaflet that come with the product if it is not to go into the spine or not, yet they do not and do not tell their patients what is being used. This is a steriod called Depo Medrol the label clearly states not for the spine yet this conitnues by the drs in pain clinics, because of GREED. We end up with adhesive arachnoisitis this is gluing our spinal cord nerves together, thus disabling a patient and causes a debilliatin pain there is no cure for ,this has to stop.That is another reason people have to take strong pain meds and they do not even help us, so we resort to living in pain day in and out and this is not our fault.
FDA did not write the PDR it has to come from the AMA why would the FDA do this when they cannot regulate our food, drugs etc to make sure their safe, they need more funds and help and Congress will not give them the funds, we need to put the blame on the right source Our Physicans need to take the responsibily to tell their patients about the treatments they are getting and the product being used, and stop the Wall of Silence , all need to read this book get it from your library..While pain meds do nothing for us, we need medical Marjuina leglagized for people in pain, and not fire them from their job is they have a Dr permission stating they are using this for pain, this may put our drug manufactures out of busines and God knows we wolud not want to do that!!!! We wonder why the kids can get these drug yet we who desperately need pain help, cannot get it if the DOJ wants to do something for the people then they need to forget about the big Drug Companys and help the people in pain ,stop the Profits B4 Patients ,it should be Patients B4 Profits, yet when Greed is in the picture they will not do this. Stop injuring and disabling patients doctors and we would not have to depend on narcotics to get thru life Think about this.



Pain relief for allin need

The DOJ does not nor should it be allowed to "practice" medicine. Doctors are licensed to "practice" medicine by the states, not the federal goverment. Perhaps the states should be the ones to issue a new version of the current DEA number that allows doctors to write perscriptions?

I am sure you are wondering why I have put "practice" into quotation marks. Medicine, while very good in most respects is by no means always a exacting profession. While most doctors do the upmost to get it right everytime, everyone will tell you they have had someone who they treated, outcome be less than optimal. It is called a license to practice for a reason.

Until a definitive test to show how much pain someone is in (it cannot happen) doctors must make judgement calls. I agree that practices that are going to be dealing with large, prolonged opiod treatment regimes shoud keep exacting records, but that is to protect the doctor from just this type of railroading. I wish only the best to the doctor, his wife, family, friends and patients. I am sure at this point they are all suffering.

A pain patient

Persecution of the Provider and Patient Must Stop

I find it interesting that people with no experience living every day with severe intractable pain often think that they know best. If the average person without pain had to live with the pain that so many do after injury, disease, or surgery, they would change their attitude. I myself didn't think that the strong drugs were necessary until I was in chronic severe pain and the great surgeons and other professionals could offer nothing in the form of relief except medication. After everything else was tried, after 21 major surgeries, it is medicine that finally allowed me to return to work, be a part of my family and their activities, and just return to society with any quality of life. There is no doubt whatsoever that there are people that use drugs that really do not require it. But in that case, I can not be the judge. It must be left with the medical professional, the doctors that have been educated to understand the causes, symptoms, and treatments, not law enforcement, and definitely not the ever so loud civilians that make statements not supported by the facts. In the 17 years that I have been treated for chronic severe intractable pain, I have seen a lot. I have seen doctors so scared that they are going to be arrested for following widely accepted treatment guidelines concerning pain management that they simply can not adequately care for their patients. And the patient, left to suffer with the pain, is often chastised or worse, prosecuted, for seeking relief elsewhere. If doctors were not afraid of prosecution, following the accepted guidelines, the problem with undertreated pain patients would not exist and the problems that arise from their search for relief would be relatively few, if any. And in response to another post here that methadone is NOT good for pain treatment; you could not be farther from the truth. I have been on almost every strong opioid there is over the course of the past 17 years in severe pain. Methadone works better and longer than the others, including morphine and Oxycontin, but leaves your head clear and lets you function normally. In my case, I only need to take my medication 2 times a day, morning and night, and don't need to be taking pills all throughout the day. In a testament to the safety and quality of methadone and it's use, the White House National Drug Policy website highly recommends methadone and you can read it for yourself at the below link: Again, people make all sorts of uninformed statements and it hurts the everyday pain patient that is not having or causing any problems for themselves or society. It makes it harder and harder to get the medical care that is REQUIRED by those truly enduring severe pain on a daily basis so that they can carry on everyday life. Fortunately, legislatures have acknowledged that pain should indeed be treated sufficiently and many are or have been passing laws regarding pain like the state I am in Florida. The biggest problem that I see in society is the fact that there are so many people that are feigning injury to get drugs from well meaning legitimate doctors. It is those people that cause the drug diversion problems and use them to get intoxicated on. Almost every person that I know that is truly in severe intractable pain, uses their medication correctly and doesn't abuse the drugs they receive. It is a matter of needing the daily and regular doses of the medication to bring down the level of pain to a level that you can live with. Most severe pain patients will tell you that there is no complete relief from their pain. They, like me, need every dose of their medication to relieve the pain and are not involved in the diversion or abuse of the medication. There are always exceptions to every rule, and those are the INDIVIDUALS, that need to be identified and dealt with. Not the doctors that are following the guidelines and treating pain appropriately. And in their defense, I have had excellent doctors over the course of the last 17 years that have treated my pain adequately. However, even those doctors are often visited by the DEA, and other law enforcement officials who often intimidate and threaten them for doing their job. I don't claim to have all the answers. However, the current situation of the war on drugs interfering with legitimate practice of pain management needs to be addressed by the legislatures to protect the health care providers and intractable pain patients from overzealous law enforcement persecution and prosecution!

Why are OUR tax dollars being spent to penalize US?

It is very disconcerning what our "Free" America has come to. I no longer feel free when I cannot sit down at my computer, go on the internet, and consult a physician about MY body...or is it still MY body? I am beginning to wonder if it belongs to the government who, by the way, has a combo letter of the alphabet for every category they want to classify ME and MY body under. Here I sit, I have had multiple abdominal surgeries since I was 6 years old which has caused severe internal abdominal adhesions which I have had surgery for twice...they keep coming back and will til I die! I can't afford more surgery since I now no longer have medical insurance. I can't afford the tromp from doctor to doctor and am not even asking for the hard stuff for my chronic daily pain...just a little Tramadol...which is NOT a controlled substance. I COULD OVERDOSE AND KILL MYSELF WITH A BOTTLE OF ASPIRIN. SHOULD MY SURVIVORS PROSECUTE AND PUT IN PRISON THE OWNER OF THE CORNER STORE I BOUGHT IT AT? Why are we holding the dispensor responsible? Why are we regulating the dispensor? As long as I have been informed of the dangers, side effects, withdrawl symptoms, ect. of the substance I plan to put into MY body, who should tell me I can or cannot consume it? Are we REALLY free?

I agree we need to vote

we let the goverment step and scam us,right in front of we were in china.we need to vote.GOD's not REPULICAN r DEM.

Morphine does not equal More Fiends. DEA & DOJ = PTSD

(Posted myself anon prior "the libertarian"). Just wanted to add as I've followed comments a few more thoughts. I do not think there will ever be an ultimate source to which we can appoint blame for all these problems. Going back to prohibition we can see the beginning of how lobbyists and money can make all the difference and not for any other reason than power and greed were any decisions made. The alcohol lobby as most know made the way for prohibition to be repealed and more powerfully and crudely done, made marijuana illegal basing their case on a man who had noted mental handicap of I believe schizoprenia and how he had killed his parents or something after smoking a 'canibus cigarette'. They left out his stays in hospitals and mental disabilities of course. This was used nationwide to get it banned so that alcohol had no competition from something equally producable and easy to sell and it had a lot less DEADLY side-effects. Yes, it made people lethargic in some portions and degrees but it seldom made us kill on the roadway, shoot a lover, stab a fellow in an argument, or die in alleyway from addiction to alcohol and all it's diseases. Still, it has become a past time and even a status symbol as to what you drink and how you drink.
Meanwhile, marijuana still faces scrunity in a don't ask don't tell manner where states allow but the feds can arrest you even though prescribed and a high population of users well above 50 and in chronic stages of diseases and illnesses unrelieved by anything synthetic or surgical. It helps with appetite and even pain for many with cancer and other late stage diseases where 'quality of life' becomes the main concern for the patient. I do believe in medical schools they do have the word 'palliative care', where a drug is administered only to relieve a person's suffering in a time where nothing else can be done. There are times where things CAN be done and yet that person still should deserve the same empathy and sympathy. When I had my heart attacks and lost my entire life at age 36, I was depressed to the point of moving back in with Mom. Fired for being in hospital (yea I know), lost apt., car loan defaulted, lost it all along with my rise in careers and plan of life I was on. I was doing quite well! Now, I'm broke at Mom's house at 40 still dealing with heart diseases, intestinal illnesses, and now seizures, YEA! Does this not qualify me for I don't know, instead of drinking a few glasses of wine or Martini's, which is my only choice legally, why can I not just pop a Valium or two, or a couple Vicodin, or hell, one of each! Why can't I rest comfortable in my own home, smoking a small pipe, I cannot take more than 2 hits of marijuana. Why can't I do this, without harm to anyone at all if I was growing it myself or getting thru legal vendor. I should be able to twice a year, go the pharmacy and get codeine up to a certain amount, sign for it and have it logged like they do with cold medicines right now as I write this, or perhaps low dose Xanax or the like for anxiety or pain relief? As long as the quantity is not enough to kill or enough to really become addicted to and it's a digital database where I cannot 'shop' for more, etc., then what is the harm?
Like I said, the harm has nothing to do with care and not even the laws in place. It has to do with the morays of the day. The times we live in. We no longer have laudinum in the cupboard for monthly cramping, etc., or even morphine and all the other liquid opiods we use to be able to be trusted with. There is only one reason for this. The competition has been settled and Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms rule the roost, no matter what anyone says. How would you like to know that your Great Aunt in California got arrested on Federal charges because her doctor 'state' legally gave her marijuana for her glaucoma or cancer, etc.,? What if is was you Mr & Mrs John Q and all those working with FDA, DEA, DOJ, on down and up the ladder of politics and lies and ideals bought and sold everyday for a dime.

Those of us in real pain, in real suffering do not stand a chance against those who drink and smoke their days away in oblivion while they ply their skills and pilfering our politicians with promises, threats and contributions. We couldn't stand going to court as many times as it would take. Just the driving and parking and waiting would nearly kill my Mother with a question mark for a back, nerve pain beyond belief, neurological problems, COPD & Emphesyma, anxiety, you name it. How could she park so far away, walk in the sun of downtown, go up the steps, wait in line, deal with Civil Workers who can be very testy and unhelpful as is and then once they get in front of a judge, deal with Continuances, Appeals, etc., god forbid. So there she sits without being able to help herself or speak out and nobody else is going to do it for her except those of us getting help than CAN fight and speak UP. These are HUMAN RIGHTS and nobody should suffer needlessly. I just went thru a Cardiac Cath Procedure without enough meds. I jerked when the cord was inserted and I was yelled at and I retorted, "Why am I still awake. This isn't how they did it before. I am not supposed to be feeling this. I cannot help but move. I AM IN PAIN!". To which nothing happened and no more meds were given. Afterward I had the nurse check my last cath procedure and I was given way more meds before and they worked fine and I don't recall anything and he was in there an hour. This time, he was in for 5 mins not knowing it would be that short but only gave me enough meds to make me the slightest bit lite-headed. I had asked them to look at my records and give me the same meds because they had worked where others had failed. They heard me and noted it and said they would tell the doctor. I suffered big time and now have nightmares of being on the table awake feeling it all, every twist, turn, and burn. It was horrible. This is a SHAME ON YOU PHYSICIANS! Those that do not ask, how are you with certain pain meds, etc. It should be park of the intake questions. I for example know that codeine and other meds don't work well on me. Morphine and Versed does though at certain levels, and they had the records to show what didn't work during a TEE and other procedures. They had noted my higher threshold prior but this doctor ignored it and let me suffer.
There is no excuse. Too much power in his hands, not enough in mine. They are all micro and macrocosms of what is wrong with the whole system. We should be in control to some point and should over rule certain things and be noted and heard.
I've babbled long enough. I think I stayed on point but I am angry, excuse me readers.

they should caremore about the patients...........

all pain doctors who continuously give

out pain meds like candy should be prosecuted,someone in the post stated that doctors can't go home with the patients to watch them,well maybe they should have a nurse of someone make random stops to their homes to check on them and check their meds and maybe even act like they care about how they are feeling and other options for pain relief,they have no problem just refilling prescriptions their easy way out,no consideration for their families or what the person goes through to feed their addiction,good people are losing their lives,and their families most of all their mind....doctors should actually look at the prescriptions they write so easily and think if they would take this many meds.

i understand both sides of this and im on both sides

i was a patient of schneider and i got my scripts early several times,and i shouldnt have!  and got what i wanted  basically. i do hold the dr responsible for part of my addiction probs cuz he could of denied me instead of increasing my addiction .drs should be trusted not to make u worse but to get u better after they help you  i was kicked out of his clinic cuz i deciced to take a lortab  he gave me that i had leftover after switching to percocets . and i failed a u.a . i was booted out just like that to deal with my now more intense addiction than i had before i met him im now clean but went thru hell and death for along time after im good now thank god .all i know is that im glad the days of me going to his clinic are over ,was a horrible time of my life the drs worse thing he did in my opinion was to not keep a better eye on his patients  its not totally his fault but partly

Discrimination against Pain patients

I have had 4 back fusion's,my sternum split open and most of my bones broken one time or an other I am Totally Permanently disabled. I have worked most all of my life. I have put in well over the 35 years required   to receive social security. I Raised 3 productive kids and helped many more grow and to stay off drugs. Now I have to humiliate myself and sign a contract to count my pills piss in a cup and even buy my pills were they tell me to and then Beg my doctor for a pain Pill. This is unconstitutional they pick individuals with a severe pain illness or disease and discriminate against you the patient and the doctor for treating this real pain and Disabling disabling this enabling microphone listen disablingDisa Disease, because the DEA wants to control every thing. We need to get a class action suit or someone  to help all of us in pain.. My grandmother is 75 years old and dying she has  osteoporosis and lupus she fell a couple weeks ago and broke her hip they pined her hip and sent her home and she is allowed to have one Vicodin per day this is ridiculous. Please everyone call your senators e-mail them do whatever it takes to help our elderly and disabled and people suffering from severe pain I wish I had a hot line or website to send you to but this page is what I found. Thank you

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