Fox News Poll: Prop 19 Marijuana Initiative in Dead Heat

California's Proposition 19 tax and regulate marijuana legalization initiative is in a statistical dead heat, according to a Fox News Poll released Tuesday. The poll, taken last Friday, had the electorate split 47-46 against the measure, well within the poll's three-point margin of error.

Fox released no cross-tabs, so there are no breakdowns by race, age, gender, political party, ideology, or location.

The poll showed both Democratic gubernatorial candidate Jerry Brown and Democratic US senate candidate Barbara Boxer pulling ahead of Republican challengers Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina. Other polls have shown strong support for Prop 19 among Democratic voters, even though Brown, Boxer, and most Democratic elected officials oppose the initiative. If a Brown/Boxer surge reflects improved prospects for Democratic turnout, that would be good news for Prop 19, which is favored 2-1 among Democratic voters but opposed by the same margin by Republicans.

Even with the Fox News Poll showing Prop 19 trailing by one and a Reuters/Ipsos poll two weeks ago showing it trailing by 10, the Talking Points Memo Polltracker average of all polls this year still shows Prop 19 leading by 46.8% to 44.5%. Of all the polls conducted since the beginning of September, only the Reuters/Ipsos poll showed it losing. All the other polls showed Prop 19 in the lead, although only one of them had it over 50%.

Get out the vote efforts will be critical between now and November 2, just two weeks from now. To get involved, visit  our latest action alert and follow the links. You don't need to be in California to volunteer for Prop 19; all you need is a phone.

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VOTE!  Whether Prop 19 passes

VOTE!  Whether Prop 19 passes or fails will depend on how many people actually get out and vote.  Go to www.justsaynow.com and make some phone calls.  Whichever side can get out the vote will win... it's that simple.  Vote and get your friends and neighbors to vote as well.  It will take every vote possible to pass Prop 19.

Polls

The problem with polls these days are that they are from people who have land lines, so you don't get a real representation of the populace. I have confidence, if everyone gets out to vote in will pass.

A brief explanation

If you are like many people who have set opinions that cannot be changed you will probably get mad, and even after I've made my points you will find a way to disagree with me, but please understand that marijuana was not always considered deviant. Actually, the first law related to cannabis was a law by Virginia ordering farmers to grow hemp (not really smoking related but pretty cool).

The ideal that marijuana was bad did not roll around until the early 1920's, when a man by the name of Harry Anslinger in search of a respectful position with the Bureau of Narcotics. He was highly ambitious and wanted a successful position in the bureau, however there were not many users of opium or cocaine, so he would need to find a larger target. He worked at making marijuana illegal which would not be hard to do because of the wide misunderstanding of the drug.

He used racial tension and the misunderstanding of the drug to portray it as a "devil weed" that Blacks and Mexicans would smoke before raping and axe murdering white women. Ridiculous films were made portraying people smoking marijuana before experiencing a Jekyll and Hyde like transformation into raging lunatics set on stealing murdering and raping. The most well known of these movies is a movie called "Reefer Madness" I laughed my ass off, but back in the day the general public ate it up and believed every bit of it.

Here are some fun quotes from Anslinger in his movement against marijuana,

“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”

“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”

“Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”

“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”

“You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”

“Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”

 

Scientific studies actually were done and the results showed that none of these statements were true, but by the time the test occurred Anslinger had heavy momentum and a step ahead in all aspects of the media, therefore, the research was not often heard of.

It all goes downhill from there, pot smoking was blacklisted and labeled as a deviant act, a crime, and those caught were heavily punished.

Although there was a Scientific experiment that proved pot kills brain cells. In 1974, Dr. Robert Heath and a panel of respected scientists performed an experiment and published results stating that marijuana will kill brain cells. The details of the experiment were not revealed until 6 years after the experiment after constant demand. The Doctor and his elite team had put gas masks on the monkeys and locked them into chairs, pumping the equivalent of 63 Columbian strength joints directly into the monkeys' lungs over the course of 5 minutes, essentially suffocating the monkeys. He accredited brain cell loss to the THC.

Just wanted to throw a few tid bits out there, I'm not a chronic smoker but I find it extraordinarily healthy to do every now and then for stress relief, you may think I'm nuts but I find myself much happier now than before I even knew that marijuana wouldn't destroy my life if I smoke it. It's something to look forward to and much needed stress relief at the end of a long week, I don't think I am a bad person for it and I certainly dont see why ANYONE should be arrested for having a similar stance. Is it really so wrong to let people have comfort knowing that they won't get arrested for this big bad nonviolent crime?

Here are some good good links for more info,

http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/    -Good bit of marijuana history, good read :)

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mj004.htm                                - A well structured timeline to go along with it

http://www.askmen.com/sports/health/20_mens_health.html    - Intriguing articles on health pros & cons 

Every Vote COunts

My whole life I've heard people say "their vote doesn't count" but the close polls could be decided by only a few hundred votes!  Imagine election night its too close to call, a recount ensues and it passes by one vote. it only takes one more vote to pass.  That one vote could be you, it could be all of us.

Just remember back to the

Just remember back to the 2000 election.  It was a matter of a couple hundred votes that made the difference between whether we had Gore or Bush as president.   Every vote matters.  And when this is over, don't miss voting again.  These jerks are imposing some bad things on us.  Voting is the only gesture you can make that does make SOME difference. 

I find this hard to believe! 

I find this hard to believe!  It seems all the stories I see in the news about marijuana that allows for reader comments are filled with participants all eager for legalization.  It is very common to see people from other states urging, "vote yes on Prop 19."  Sure a few greedy, know-it-all medical people are going against it.  And of course the hard core prohibitionists in law enforcement, industrial complex, lawyers, judges who will vote NO.

But from my observation it seems there is overwhelming support, as long as people are registered and vote.  And when you consider how unpopular Obama and the US government are today, many people might create their own change when they get to the ballot and vote YES just out of spite.  After all, everybody knows marijuana is harmless.  So my humble guess would be Prop 19 wins 57% based on what I see going on with the public with regard to marijuana legalization.

But something is wrong here.  S.  Morgan wonders why Obama has been relatively quiet about Prop 19?  Maybe Obama does not expect it to pass in the first place?  So there was no need to beat the anti-marijuana drum from his administration.  When you consider the Holder memo on Prop 19, and their intention to go against the will of the California voters, how sinister might these people go to prevent this thing from becoming an "issue."  If this thing passes it becomes big news, if it does not nothing happens.  And this Boca CA sheriff who plans to break the law and go against the will of CA voters as well?  How much do people trust the government today?

I would bet that Prop 19 is highly susceptible to voter fraud.  I bet that this thing is rigged already and we will see an outcome of Prop 19  losing  47%.  It will be a very close race to keep everybody happy.  But I seriously doubt the Obama administration wants to deal with legal cannabis.  The Republicans will point that Obama has lost even more control.  It is the Reuters/Ipsos poll that is preparing the mainstream for the outcome.  Their poll would be the most accurate when you consider that they are a mouthpiece for the government.

Prop 19. "I find this hard to believe"

Ha! Marijuana harmless! What ignorance. Just the fact that smoking anything is detrimental to good health is all you really need to hear, but there are also numerous scientific studies revealing the added dangers to smoking dope. Unfortunately, there are a lot of dopes out there who purposely keep their heads in the sand in the interest of making getting high a little easier. What a pity.   

I swear if pot is not legal

I swear if pot is not legal seen I am going to crusade to ban sugar and trans fats.  Obesity is a serious threat in this country and needs to addressed.  Also, with this new Obama health care I say that it should also be illegal to be fat.  I think that in the future, to save health costs and save people from themselves, we should lock up fat people until they are rehabilitated.

Also given the dangers of automobiles I plan to crusade to make any and all big engine/muscle/sports cars illegal as well.  Given the # of auto deaths each year anyone who drives or restores a Corvette for example should be locked away until they are rehabilitated toward cleaner and safer transportation.

Should I go on "ignorance?"  Or do you get my point?  Marijuana, compared to many other legal products and services, is relatively safe.  Happy A-hole?

Thank You FROM THE ROOF

Thank You FROM THE ROOF TOP,

Finally a person that thinks with common sense. You see, between you and I it is almost impossible to educate a high doped up mind. All people see is that they will be able to get high legally, but fail to see the negative impact that it will have on our society as if there is already not enough negative things going on. The United States is ranked somewhere about 25th on a list of Applied Technology and Education Standards in comparison with all the rest of the nations and countries of the world and all people can worry about is smoking weed for recreational purposes. You know we used to be number one on that list just eight years ago ROOF TOP!!! Why do you suppose we slipped down so low on that list so fast? My guess is because people got to wound up into smoking dope and not just weed either I'm talking all kinds of drugs. America forgot all about how important it is to feed the youth a balanced diet first, and educate them secondly, and last or third some type of excersise regimate. Now we got a whole lot of dope heads running around with a future generation thats Obese and Under Educated. So I guess that my question is how will legalizing weed help this at all? My belief is that it only add to an already sad situation. The even sadder thing is that no one wants to see America for what it's become and try to help out in any positive type of way. Don't people get it at all, that even so weed is not more harmful than alcohol that it's still poisonous to a humans system. PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT THE LEGAL TAX DOPE THING AND GO FIND A BETTER WAY TO MAKE MONEY.   

Dude, now you are having

Dude, now you are having conversations with yourself?  So you are both D Gray and Roof Top? 

Its Going to Be OK

Wow, another person who thinks the US used to be the best place to live!! Who cares about tech scales and how we rank with regards to education. Happiness and freedom should be the goal! If it makes me happy to sit around a couple of hours a week stoned, laughing, eating doritoes and dont hurt anyone else, whats the big deal!!! I dont do any of those as I am in the Military, Drugs are a social issue and should be treated as such, drugs are not criminal in and of themselves, legalise, educate and treat, don't imprisson the sickness of addiction!

soo

so Dgray anyone that doesn't share the same conservative ideas as you, liberals are all persons with a high "doped" mind??

perhaps you should do a little research on FACTS and not your thoughts and personal conclusions, that way you can post believable ideas and not CRAP.

by the way "DOPE" is a classical conservative word, why not use "reefer" while you're at it? moron

you want to see ignorance...

you want to see ignorance... you need to do nothing more than to take a look in the mirror. your petty argument that marijuana is harmful cause of smoke is more ignorant than you could ever imagine. have you ever heard of a VAPORIZER?  it makes it so you do not have to smoke the marijuana to get the desired outcome. you can also have marijuana baked into goods for its effects. next time dont be so ignorant when you make posts that everyone reads. you watch too much fox news.

Please!!! Do your own research.

From drug-overdose.com - "The Drug Awareness Warning Network Annual Report, published by the US federal government contains a statistical compilation of all drug deaths which occur in the United States. According to this report, there has never been a death recorded from the use of marijuana by natural causes. "

Studies show that Marijuana stimulates the body's immune system, does nothing to the reproductive system, posses less of a hazzard than alcohol in relation to vehicle related accidents. When smoked, marijuana can cause throat cancer or lung cancer... the same as smoking a cigarette.  It contains the same carcinogens as cigarettes but usually is smoked in smaller amounts.

From a1b2c3.com -

"Studies of human populations of marijuana users have shown no evidence of brain damage. For example, two studies from 1977, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showed no evidence of brain damage in heavy users of marijuana."

"That same year, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially came out in favor of decriminalizing marijuana. That's not the sort of thing you'd expect if the AMA thought marijuana damaged the brain."

"Scientists have conclude that the ratio of the amount of cannabinoids necessary to get a person intoxicated (i.e., stoned) relative to the amount necessary to kill them is 1 to 40,000. You would have to consume 40,000 times as much marijuana as you needed to get stoned.

In contrast, the ratio for alcohol varies between 1 to 4 and 1 to 10. It is easy to see how upwards of 5,000 people die from alcohol overdoses every year, and no one ever dies of marijuana overdoses."


 


 

 


 

"scientific studies revealing the added dangers"

My friend, you have been mislead, the only "proven" scientific danger to smoking marijuana is just that, smoke. The carcinogens found in any kind of smoke have been proven to increase the risk of lung cancer. However vaporizing pot is another story.

If you are like many people who have set opinions that cannot be changed you will probably get mad, and even after I've made my points you will find a way to disagree with me, but understand that marijuana was not always considered deviant. Actually, the first law related to cannabis was a law by Virginia ordering farmers to grow hemp (not really smoking related but pretty cool).

The ideal that marijuana was bad did not roll around until the early 1920's, when a man by the name of Harry Anslinger in search of a respectful position with the Bureau of Narcotics. He was highly ambitious and wanted a successful position in the bureau, however there were not many users of opium or cocaine, so he would need to find a larger target. He worked at making marijuana illegal which would not be hard to do because of the wide misunderstanding of the drug.

He used racial tension and the misunderstanding of the drug to portray it as a "devil weed" that Blacks and Mexicans would smoke before raping and axe murdering white women. Ridiculous films were made portraying people smoking marijuana before experiencing a Jekyll and Hyde like transformation into raging lunatics set on stealing murdering and raping. The most well known of these movies is a movie called "Reefer Madness" I laughed my ass off, but back in the day the general public ate it up and believed every bit of it.

Here are some fun quotes from Anslinger in his movement against marijuana,

“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”

“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”

“Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”

“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”

“You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”

“Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”

 

Scientific studies actually were done and the results showed that none of these statements were true, but by the time the test occurred Anslinger had heavy momentum and a step ahead in all aspects of the media, therefore, the research was not often heard of.

It all goes downhill from there, pot smoking was blacklisted and labeled as a deviant act, a crime, and those caught were heavily punished.

Although there was a Scientific experiment that proved pot kills brain cells. In 1974, Dr. Robert Heath and a panel of respected scientists performed an experiment and published results stating that marijuana will kill brain cells. The details of the experiment were not revealed until 6 years after the experiment after constant demand. The Doctor and his elite team had put gas masks on the monkeys and locked them into chairs, pumping the equivalent of 63 Columbian strength joints directly into the monkeys' lungs over the course of 5 minutes, essentially suffocating the monkeys. He accredited brain cell loss to the THC.

Just wanted to throw a few tid bits out there, I'm not a chronic smoker but I find it extraordinarily healthy to do every now and then for stress relief, you may think I'm nuts but I find myself much happier now than before I even knew that marijuana wouldn't destroy my life if I smoke it. It's something to look forward to and much needed stress relief at the end of a long week, I don't think I am a bad person for it and I certainly dont see why ANYONE should be arrested for having a similar stance. Is it really so wrong to let people have comfort knowing that they won't get arrested for this big bad nonviolent crime?

Here are some good good links for more info,

http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/    -Good bit of marijuana history, good read :)

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mj004.htm                                - A well structured timeline to go along with it

http://www.askmen.com/sports/health/20_mens_health.html    - Intriguing articles on health pros & cons

you're pathetic. Stop crying

you're pathetic. Stop crying about what other people say or do. If you're so interested in the issue, get up, make a committee and gather a bunch of other closed minded individuals like you. Both you and I know how most of the world feels for marijuana, let's see what California can do to change it.

With Democrats favoring

With Democrats favoring legalization 2:1 and Republicans opposed 2:1, why would Obama want to get involved with Prop 19? Opposing it would alienate Democrats across the country, I certainly don't think he wants that.

They say this stuff all the time.

It's just to try to shift the voting one way or another. Polls truly don't count for much. They only ask around 200 people. So get out there and vote you lazy hippies!

Propaganda

Reuters has consistently, always shown Prop. 19 as losing in the polls, going back several months.  We all know that it has been ahead.  Fox News is, well, Fox News - the propaganda dispensing outlet for right wing schills. 

Has anybody else noticed that the opposition is deliberately generating bad headlines designed to discourage voters from voting for Prop. 19?   There was the story in LA where the sheriff claimed that a group of collectives were "making cocaine and meth" in the headlines, but when they gave a list of items seized, only cannabis related items were on the list.  Then they backed off of those claims completely.  But the headlines were printed and posted, and their false message got transmitted.

Keep your eyes open, people.  More "events" have been planned.   YES on 19!

I was worried there for a minute...

I was shocked to see that a recent poll had Prop 19 in a near dead heat. This made no sense based on people I talk to and comments I see here and elsewhere.

Then I saw that the poll was conducted by Fox news! I feel a lot better. This means the real numbers are closer to 50-40.

Look up the polls...

Only three of the last 13 polls have prop 19 trailing.  The last two polls (2 of 3 against) were from FOX NEWS and IPSOS.  The IPSOS poll seems well constructed, but at only 448 likely voters interviewed, it has the lowest sampling size of any previous poll (since Aug. 20, 2010).  The lowest sample size prior to IPSOS was 500 from Survey USA (which still put 19 ahead) and the largest, 2,004 from Public Policy Polling - the latter of which showing 52-41% in favor, on September 30... not too long ago.

The FOX NEWS poll was probably applied in a similar fashion as their news coverage: selective.  I think it would be foolish for anyone to put much weight on that one, and the full text is available in all of its partisan glory: http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/CA_Topline.pdf.

I would warn voters to be wary of these "polls" two weeks prior to the election, especially from two sources that have conducted no long-term polling.  Four different polling companies have shown 19 to be CONSISTENTLY ahead since Aug. 20th.  IPSOS and FOX NEWS have only one poll apiece, which unfortunately happen to be the last two available.

This isn't exactly new though - it happens every two years.  Group-think is very real, and often exploited at this time of the year.  Make no mistake, it is a last ditch effort by the opposition to sway a few "undecideds," and guess what?  It works.  Get out and vote yes on 19.

NEW SurveyUSA POLL: Constant Support; Gaining Opposition

SurveyUSA shows a decline in support as well.

A new poll is out from a news station in California:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/politics/local_elections&id=7734534

This poll is "a new exclusive Eyewitness News SurveyUSA poll." We have prior numbers from SurveyUSA, though not with Pulse Opinion Research (FOX's chosen company, a spinoff of Rasmussen) nor have we with Ipsos.

Their prior poll from the third of October- 1 day before the Ipsos outlier was conducted- showed the 'yes' vote at 48 percent certain, and 'no' at 41 percent certain: a lead of 7 points.

Now Proposition 19 leads by 4 points, 48-44.

I earnestly hope all the best for the proposition, and even if its lead is down, at least it is heartening to know that probably all is not as bad as Pulse Opinion Research tells us. Still, it is now clear that Proposition 19 is facing a mounting challenge.

It's such a shame that people

It's such a shame that people have nothing better to do than to sit around for Nov. 2 to come to see if rather or not they will get to waste the rest of thier lives away smoking dope. You know, don't get your hopes up because when all the smoke has cleared all of you will see that there will not be enough votes to pass this crazy ass proposition. Not everyone wants to sit around and smoke weed everyday, or for that matter smell someone who is smoking weed. My advise is to forget about the whole legalized weed thing and help us productive Californians to get the high school drop out rate in California to under 50%. You see, my point is that there are a lot of more productive things that one could be doing other than waiting around to see if the public is going to pass a vote to allow them to smoke dope !!!! Further more all this talk about marijuana being less harmful than alcohol is also one BIG GIGANTIC FALACY !!!!!! Marijuana can put one at risk for contracting Emphysema, Lung Cancer, and a whole host of other illnesses, and there is not much to debate about that know is there? Just because it's not possible to overdose on weed does not mean that the shit is harmless!!!!! It does'nt matter if marijuana will create 1.4 billion dollars in taxes or more it's still not worth the cost to society and even a fool would know this much. SO BY KNOW I GUESS THAT YOU ALL CAN SEE THAT IT WILL NOT BE MY ONE VOTE THAT HELPS THIS THING TO PASS, AND I CAN SERIOUSLY SAY THAT I HOPE IT'S MY ONE VOTE THAT HELPS IT TO LOOSE.

Done and Done!

 "My advise is to forget about the whole legalized weed thing and help us productive Californians to get the high school drop out rate in California to under 50%" ""

As of May '09, the California High School Dropout Rate was 20% and 68% Graduation.

Can we legalize weed now?

My advice to you is go back to school.

I guess you don"t read at all

I guess you don"t read at all DAMIAN N or have you smoked too much OG KUSH. A studies show that the HIGH SCHOOL DROP OUT rate is about one of the worst problems incurred be our young generation other than obesity. If you would stop fighting to smoke dope and get high you would know this my friend or do I need to cut and paste some stats below your silly ass comments. See thats excactly what I mean by weed does not need to be legalized, it's people like yourself that read things the wrong way or even worst probably can't read at all that weed effects the most. Stop smoking SOUR DEISEL and pick up a book so that you can learn to read and I'm sure that this will help you lead a more productive life style but, until then you will continue to be one of the lost and misguided lost in the PURPLE HAZE SMOKE. I believe that you also said something about me going to school did you? You see I have a post High School Degree in a hard science my friend and I currently work in the research development branch of Hewlett Packard. I gaurantee that smoking weed did not help me to accomplish any thing that my hard work has earned me either. I'm not saying that there are not other scientist that work along the side of me that have not or do not smoke weed either. I'm saying that smoking weed did not help them achieve that status, on the other hand hard work did and had not been for the weed they could have been a more better or precise scientist. So I'm not trying to offend or call you dumb but what I am trying to tell you is to do your homework and think about the things you say before you make comments. Is weed really a good thing? Does it really help you be a better person? Is it really a good thing to introduce to the next generation when our nation is so far behind education wise? As a man If you can say that it helps with all of these things cool, cast your vote for it, but I believe you know otherwise. We did'nt even begin to talk about the health problems it can cause, whole different conversation. You see I don't care about it generating 1.4 billion dollars or more it's not a good thing overall and thats what people need to open their EYES and look at.

IT'S ALL ABOUT PEACE AND RESPECT BROTHER

You got it all wrong Doc. 

You got it all wrong Doc.  This Prop 19 is about human rights, you moron.  Young people and people of color are having their lives ruined in this drug war.  No one belongs in jail for a plant!  No one is waiting till Nov 2 to smoke dope, you maroon.  You have no idea what you are talking about.  There are far worse (more dangerous) products out there that are legal.  Who are you kidding, genius?  For you, slick, this is about hate.  You hate pot and you hate pot smokers.  Who else do you hate?  Someday you might discover that all those people who smoked dope were right all along; you might discover that dope smokers are successful doctors, lawyers, scientists, business people, etc.  NOT JUST LAZY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SIT AROUND AND SMOKE WEED ALL DAY.

Wow. Reefer madness much? You

Wow. Reefer madness much? You seriously need to understand that we all have been lied to. I used to believe all the same lies. Do yourself a favor if you are still open minded, and do some research. We've been sold a bill of goods my friend. Marijuana should be legal so that people will have an alternative to Alcohol. Alcohol is Toxic, pure and simple and it ruins lives.

Studies have shown over and over that Cannabis is safe, non toxic, and non addictive (although it is habit forming like TV). It would be nice if people didn't need anything to help them relax, but let's face it, people do. Nothing wrong with it really. I don't personally use Alcohol or any DRUGS but I think the world would be a safer place is we allowed people to have some Cannabis in the privacy of their own homes. Save the money we are wasting and let our Police go after REAL criminals. 

D-Gray

Who's waiting I don't drink but I don't down everyone that uses it. Most people that die in alcohol related accidents aren't the drinkers . SO.......Have you ever smoked a bowl .. or drank big difference,I have done both. And as far as the high school drop out rate goes I went to school in California and I did drop out. The school was more dangers then my street,even so I own a small company In Missouri . My wife has been a smoker since jr-high and she completed high school at the top of her class so there is no pattern to pot smokers . v.s. drop outs or what you can do with or with out a piece of paper... NOW IS THERE  How about you still working for someone else ... I bet you are.... lol           ps better luck next time.

Who said anything at all

Who said anything at all about pot smoking being linked to High School Drop out rate? Did you read or can you read at all. I simply stated people should fight as hard to lower the drop out rate just like they fight to make dope legal. WOW IT'S TOO BAD I DON'T HAVE A HIGH LIGHTER. Then you go on to talk about people who die in drunk dirving accidents, as if you said something smart. It does'nt matter all if it was the person drinking  that dies or the sober person that dies in a accident, still someone died because someone was intoxicated. So what's your point, I don't get it please explain? You asked me if I have smoked or drank. The answer to your question is YES. HOW CAN YOU BE FROM CALIFORNIA AND NOT SMOKE POTENT MARIJUANA. I've smoked more high grade marijuana in one summer than you've smoked in your entire life SON!!!!! Now ask me if it helped me to become a better mor productive person and I will tell you absolutely not, but hard work did. Everything I've ever accomplished in life stemed from hard work and dedication, not smoking weed. I'm also going to tell that weed that is over 20% in THC such as SOUR DEISEL, OG KUSH, ROMULAN is super addictive if you smoke them for a longer enough period of time. You see, just because you can't overdose on a subtance does not mean that it's safe to use and thats were people make there biggest mistake in supporting this prop 19 thing. I've been through a 12 step program because my addiction to high grade marijuana and I'm not affraid to say thats what i went through the program because at the time thats what I needed. So my comment has nothing to do with drunk driving accidents, you dropping out of high, or your wife graduating high in her class. It's about weed people under rated as a drug addiction wise and health wise. I don't understand how it is that anyone argue weed having negative effects on a humans body health wise and weed does impair brain function like it or not. I was one of the people that paid and got his med card after the vote passed in 1996 and I've smoked high grade weed, kief, Tripple X Hash, cannibis edibles, you name it I've purchased it at the dispensery and just like cigerettes, liquor, opium cannibis also has addictive properties. I might also mention that that high grade stuff is also very expensive, I've purchased plenty of it so I would know. If fact I'm glad that you can't overdose on marijuana because I would surely be dead if you could but just because it did'nt kill me does'nt mean that it did'nt harm my health. I also noticed you saying something about me still working for some one else other than myself. Well as it pertains to your comment I make pretty good money as a research scientist and I also contribute a lot to society in the form of research, and don't forget I had to earn a higher scientific degree to be declared a research scientist. So I guess I've did well for my self despite all my hang ups in life. LOL!!!!!! bet your bussiness in Missouri (Misery) does'nt pay you financially what Hewlett Packard pays me yearly as a Research Scientist since you seem to want to flex incomes. However I can say that you did well for yourself as man who does'nt have a high school diploma but I can bet you it was'nt because of weed or drinking that you accomplished these assets but rather determination and will power. If your ever in San Diego hit me up I have a very open mind we can have a logical talk this is not a debate, just simply people sharing opinions.      

I agree with you 100%,

I agree with you 100%, "determination and will power" along with "hard work" are important attributes in life.  And I would add it is important for people to take self responsibility for their thoughts and actions.  Just because you abused weed ( you said: "I've smoked more high grade marijuana in one summer than you've smoked in your entire life SON!!!!!") does not mean that marijuana is too dangerous for human beings.  There are countless people in the US who use cannabis responsibly.  But just like food, tobacco, alcohol, money, etc., nearly all things can be abused.  It is usually the diseased human being, suffering from some form of mental illness, that succumbs to a psychological addiction.  A healthy individual usually has enough discernment and will power to ward off a psychologically addictive substance.  And weather it be cupcakes, martinis, cigars, etc. people can use these things responsibly.  And this includes marijuana.  So don't twist things and put marijuana in some special category or in another universe and talk about how dangerous marijuana is when I can go out and legally buy products like automatic weapons for example.

It looks to me that you are a weak person without much will power.  I would bet that you abuse other things in your life.  I would bet you abuse food.  I would bet you abuse your relationships.  I would bet that you abuse money/credit. I would bet that you abuse electricity/gas/power.  I could probably go on and on. 

So don't lecture people about marijuana because you abused marijuana so much that you had to probably enter rehab and these people filled your head with all kinds of scary propaganda.  You sir are a robot programmed by the establishment to go forth and spill half truths, while the majority of your healthy brothers and sisters suffer by your 'wisdom.'

You obviously smoked too much

You obviously smoked too much of that strong shit today wich makes you out of tune with reality and the truth. You see your the kind of individual that responsible people have to make decisions for because you can't understand whats right for yourself. Furthermore I don't know believe you know the definition of a weak person. I weak person is one who can't overcome an addiction or something that henders his or her ability to achieve or go on in life. I made the choice to overcome what held me back in life and went on to achieve better things as it pertains to life. YOU SEE, THATS WHAT I MEAN WHEN I STATE THAT TOO MUCH WEED DESTROYS THE ABILITY TO THINK PROPERLY. I stated that I overcame an addiction in my last comment which would mean that I am all but weak. Obviously it's your ability to read thats weak or perhaps and your abilty to use and understand the english language could be another short coming of yours. Even if one does not abuse cannibis it's still unhealthy to inhale smoke no matter what kind of smoke it is. Don't hold your breath and look for this thing to pass because it's a many a ways to counter even if it does pass. This thing will be tied up in court so long that your GREAT-GREAT GRAND CHILDREN will be the only ones that will get to enjoy it, COUNT ON IT!!!!!! PS GET LOST SOMEWHERE IN A DARK CORNER AND SUCK ON YOUR WEED PIPE. I thought weed made people friendly, guess it does'nt after all. You feel like you need call me names and down grade my experiances in life, well I'll do you the same honors.    

I'm sorry friend but you need

I'm sorry friend but you need serious medical help, IMHO.  It seems you are delusional.  Your rant is the same no matter who you are responding to: "You obviously smoked too much of that strong shit today wich makes you out of tune with reality and the truth."  And it seems no matter what each poster has written it always seems to be with you: "Obviously it's your ability to read thats weak or perhaps and your abilty to use and understand the english language could be another short coming of yours."

I have been reasonable.  I have been logical.  I have presented a sound argument.  And still you call out like a parrot every time.

Vote Yes on Prop 19 can also help those who abuse marijuana because they wont feel like criminals in the first place.  In a legal world, full of research and education, real doctors will be telling us how dangerous marijuana is, not policemen.

D Gray... how rediculous

"You see, just because you can't overdose on a substance does not mean that it's safe to use and that's were people make there biggest mistake in supporting this prop 19 thing. I've been through a 12 step program because my addiction to high grade marijuana and I'm not afraid to say that's what I went through the program because at the time that's what I needed"    By the way, I've corrected the bad grammar and misspellings in your post quote.

You must be kidding...  It makes no difference if you are smoking high grade or low grade.  The only difference is how loaded you will get and your tolerance level.  You are clearly a weak minded person and became "addicted" to a substance that has little or no physical addiction associated with it.  Because you couldn't handle your business doesn't mean that I can't handle mine.  I work full time for a fortune 100 company in a business that is very detail oriented. I smoke daily for medical purposes.  I still have a job, I still have a family, I've never been arrested, I don't drive under the influence and I am more tolerant of morons like yourself.  Life goes on. 

I guess I'm not the only

I guess I'm not the only clearly weak person out there HUH? It seems to to me the majority of california mst think the same weak way that I do, because it seems that the this whole PROPOSITION 19 LEGALIZE DOPE STUFF IZ GOIN' RIGHT DOWN THE DRAIN WERE IT BELONGS!!!!! Unlike like you few DOPERS out there the majority of us Californians want to preserve California's future by voting this proposition down. YOU GUYS REALLY THOUGHT THIS THING WAS GOING TO PASS DID'NT YOU? Well it's not SO GO OUT IN THE GARAGE SMOKE YOUR SOUR DEISEL AND POUT ABOUT THE SHIT!!!!! And AS for you Mr. Fortune 100 Company Man, MIND YA MANNERS WHEN YOUR SPEAKING TO YOUR SPEAKING TO YOUR ELDERS BOYEEE!!! If I was'nt a strong person I would'nt be in the position I'm in today. You just keep on correcting my grammer, I appreciate that. Infact I just my give you a job someday if you decide to stop using dope. HAHAHAHAHA, you liked that did'nt you OL' BOYEEEEE

D GRAY, YOU SOUND SO GHETTO. OL' BOYEEEEE

DEAR MR D GRAY. I guess afterall your the only one looser. Sitting around all day sober responding to all these blogs. Put down your box of donuts and put on some shirts and go jogging or something. Let the rest of the bloggers express their opinions. Stop being such a party pooper and give everyone a chance on this blog to comment. Obviously you dont have a job if you sit around all day responding to blogs. If you do have a job then get busy, before you get fired. SEE YAH BOYEEEE. IN THE UNEMPLOYMENT OFFICE.

D Gray, I don't know how old

D Gray, I don't know how old you are, and I don't know what makes you think that the fact that you had a problem with marijuana means that others will too -- we all have our weaknesses, but different people have different ones.  However, it is doubtful that you are older than I am, and I haven't touched mj in more than 35 years, so not everyone who smokes will become addicted.

What I do know is that your messages don't show respect for anyone, are written as though you have new addiction -- alcohol -- and have the grammar of a first grader.  Maybe HP, after Carly and Mark, no longer cares whether its employees can speak or write English, but if you are going to claim you are educated, perhaps you should show it a bit in your posts.

 

 

REHAB FOR POT WHAT A JOKE, YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED

Well you are obviously one stupid scientist. One who obviously cannot tell the distinguished the diffence between addiction and just being plain stupid. You should be embarassed to even admitt you have been to rehab for pot. What a joke. Im sure all the weed strains, and your job as a research scientist position is all bull shit anyway. It all sounds like you really made some research on strains and supposed (scientist job),for your bullshit made up Life drama story, and if its true, then your just plain stupid. REHAB what a joke. I have smoked pot for over 20 yrs ,and guess what i have been able to to say no to pot smoking. There have been times i have decided to stop for 1-2 yrs at a time. I personally love to smoke pot, but i know when to put it down and take a break and when to continue. Currently i have choosen to take a break, its been 6 months and guess what i currently dont feel like smoking. I have many friends who smoke and guess what all work, and are responsible pot smokers. Who only stick to pot, and have never stepped into a rehab, when they decided to quit.GUESS WHAT! MR SCIENTIST. WHEN I DECIDE TO RESUME TO POT SMOKING AND MY COCK ***** IS 20% CONCENTRATED, I WILL GIVE YOU A  CALL AND SAY "SUCK ON THIS". I HOPE YOU DONT NEED REHAB AFTER THIS ONE. HOPE YOU ENJOY.

D Gray is just ignorant of the facts

D Gray must stand for damaged gray matter.  You are clueless!  Why don't you do a little research before you start spewing your opinion as if it were fact.  There have been dozens of medical research projects that have proven that cannabis IS SAFER than alcohol in multiple ways.  There have also been multiple studies that have proven that cannabis absolutely has medicinal use indications.  Two that come to mind are studies done at Harvard and at USC.  Take a look.(google it) 

There has NEVER been a recorded death attributed to cannabis overdose.  Alcohol (a legal and regulated product) is responsible for thousands of deaths annually from overdose alone, not to mention automobile accidents and other accidents and crimes related to alcohol.  Tobacco, which is perfectly legal and regulated, kills many more thousands per year than alcohol.  I don't see you fighting and showing your ignorance about this deadly product.

Cannabis is not a toxin if ingested properly.(read not smoked)  YOUR OWN body has cannabinoid receptors that are perfectly designed to receive the active cannabinoids in cannabis.  These cannabinoids cause both the psychoactive effects of cannabis as well as provide medical benefits to a multitude of ailments.  Cannabis can be ingested by eating, smoking, vaporizing and are even used in tinctures for topical use. 

Did you know that cannabis has been used for medical purposes for thousands of years.  Did you know that Washington, Madison, Monroe, Adams, Jefferson as well as many more of our founding fathers not only grew Cannabis, but used it for it's psychoactive effects.  This is FACT, do some research.  The US Constitution was drafted on hemp paper, but the final draft was written on animal parchment. 

The US Govt. has spent billions of dollars annually in the "war on drugs" since the 80's and we have more drugs now than at any time previously.  The "war" is a dismal failure and it will continue to fail until those in our government open their eyes and uses a different tact to fight the ravages of drugs and their use.

Please stop posting about things you clearly know nothing about.  It takes time from those of us who are forced to rebut your posts due to a desire for honesty in our collective conversations.

By the way, I know many people who use cannabis for a variety of reasons, so do you, they just don't tell you because you are clearly intolerant of any opinion other than your own.

Loose?

Don't you mean lose? ( I have a Masters in English, smoking never hurt me.)

A Request ..

From a humble man in Ct. I ask when you Vote on Nov 2 to remember us that are still in Prohibition, We who are with you now ask that you be Brave and Courageous in the face of adversity. We ask to you Lead us to Freedom of Oppression from our Government, Danger from Gangs, Compassion for Mexican citizens, and Deliverance from the Financial burden of the War on Drugs. Our Hopes and our Hearts go with you.

 

Seconded.

As a spectator in a state with a MMJ law that has languished in Nowhereland for 10 years, I thank all the Freedom Fighters in California. Onward Stoney Soldiers!

What you said

Amen.

hey doc, you have to be a

hey doc, you have to be a complete idiot.. No one uses the word dope unless they have an ax to grind......cannabis does not, in any way, cause cancer.,nor emphysema..in fact science shows just the opposite....smoke damages your lungs....there are many ways to ingest cannabis besides smoking it....what a GIGANTIC FALACY.you are..people are not waiting to smoke on nov 2nd.....we already are....

So I take that smoking weed

So I take that smoking weed inhances RESPIRATORY FUNCTION. Let's see, what grade did you drop out in.

A no will turn into a yes anyway

Wake up people! This is going to happen across the country one by one.  You can hate and be wrong in the end just like our longest serving senator, Robert Byrd  was about racism. Or you can pick the correct viewpoint and make it a positive change.  It's ok to be wrong, just make sure you change your mind early.  In 50 years from now people will look back on the way narrow minded people and government resisted this change and wonder why they were so stupid.  It's Just like how I feel about all the people who hated on the African American civil rights movement in the 60's.  It's just how people will feel about gay rights in 50 years from now as well. There is nothing you can do about young people becoming 18 and old people going to the grave.  We are a smart generation that will not just, "go with our parents on this one."  There is no logical reason for this prohibition and in time it will pass.   I wonder how many people that vote no will have a cocktail when they get home?  I am 35 and live in Colorado.  It will pass here in 2012.  We can be the 1st state of 50 or the or 2nd, it's up to you CA.   

Hey D Gray, the issue isn't whether cannabis is harmless

to everyone who uses it, some of the real issues are how harmful is it compared to killer alcohol, and how harmful is it compared to the various costs of trying to suppress its use, and whether you have the moral right to use alcohol and beat up on your fellow citizens for preferring SAFER cannabis. In case you're a Christian, Jesus HATED hypocrisy.

Actually there is a LOT to debate about over whether cannabis causes emphysema and cancer. Google Donald Tashkin and get back to me on that. And whatcha gonna do if you need chemotherapy and your doctor says cannabis is the best way to treat the nausea/lost of appetite that is making you waste away? 

Outliers...

 

That "poll" is only one out of TEN and it's the only one that shows Prop 19 losing. It's obviously an outlier, and that is exactly how it's being seen by most of the reputable new agencies. Also, IPSOS largest customer is... wait for it... Big Pharma. Not exactly impartial.. Way to be "fair and unbiased". It's obvious the author of this article is pushing his own agenda and clearly is in favor on continuing the failed war on Marijuana.  Prop 19 is going to win on November 2nd. People know the truth now and once the truth is out there it's hard to stop it. Marijuana is a far safer drug than Alcohol and adults should have a legal option to that poison. We are wasting tax dollars in the trillions, and our Police are putting their lives at risk enforcing a law most people never wanted. Prohibition is a racist lie put in place by corrupt Politicians and opportunists. Read the history of  Marijuana and you will be disgusted that we ever bought into the obvious propaganda.  The Author needs to removee his head from the sand and wake up to the reality that millions of people already use Cannabis to relax and for medical purposes. Making if officially legal (let's face it, it's almost legal now) will not cause any more problems than Cannabis users cause now. Which is to say, almost none.  Yes on Prop 19. 

Legalize canabis

To the person that said the thing about high school drop out rates and all that bull its going to be for people 21 and up so there not going to get any more access to it then they have right now. It will take a lot of power away from the drug cartels it will be regulated and taxed. It helps cancer patiences eat when they are unable and people with aids to eat makes them healthier. Its not going to make anyone more of a pot head then they are now. Its not like its going to be all of a sudden up in ur face people that smoke weed just hangout and do a lot more active things then a lot of people think it doesn't make you more dumb it can help you concentrate. This will make us more free by eliminating the goverment trying to control what we in our own times as long as ur not hurting other people like physically not just people mad about it. Open ur minds there's nothing wrong with canabis.

The Future!

We have a ways to go.

 

What is very important is for all of us to be sure we have the right and the ability to breed Cannabis as private Citizens.

 

Prop 19 removed the Public from Breeding and proper Horticulture by limiting the area you can grow plants in.

 

 Be alert!  We could find in 25 years time only Government approved genetics in the Stores and that it is a crime to properly practice Horticulture like it will be under Prop 19.

Great! While I contribute my

Great! While I contribute my last penny to excessive health care insurance fees. Now the Feds are going to Witch-Hunt harmless legal citizens who have a small piece of a natural plant with healing properties dating back thousands of years with tax potentials for our economy. It was even grown by George Washington (fact). Yes, the General on your depreciating dollar bill!

 

Great idea Obama and Holder: let's make the murdering Mexican cartels even wealthier with our hard earned money that belongs in the US, instead sending it to Mexico, while prosecuting and criminalizing legal citizens in CA at the cost of taxpayers from all 50 states including military members, while it is "just fine" for college students to die from alcohol poisoning, water poisoning and prescription pills once in a while, even though there has never been a confirmed overdose death from marijuana in the history of the world. Aren't there more important issues to focus our manpower on, like violent criminals, rapists, child molesters, terrorists, possible smuggled WMD, hard drugs, gangs and such into our country? Wow! I will be voting yes on 19 and see what happens in a supposed "free country" with "rights" by a "democracy" that has "borders". Lets pursue our happiness and peace. It's our God given right.

Yes on 19.

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